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		<title>By: TechIQ &#187; Archive &#187; Landmark Day for Desktop Linux</title>
		<link>http://www.thevarguy.com/2007/10/08/dell-preps-for-next-linux-desktop-release/comment-page-2/#comment-59046</link>
		<dc:creator>TechIQ &#187; Archive &#187; Landmark Day for Desktop Linux</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jan 2008 21:26:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] That may sound like a tiny figure. But let&#8217;s do some quick math. Worldwide PC sales will approach 260 million units this year, according to Gartner. Five percent of that market is 13 million units. That&#8217;s a killer opportunity for Canonical and its partners. Ubuntu&#8217;s installed base is currently about 6 million to 12 million users, Canonical estimates. And the latest Ubuntu 7.10 release should help broaden the operating system&#8217;s appeal &#8212; especially with Dell backing it. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] That may sound like a tiny figure. But let&#8217;s do some quick math. Worldwide PC sales will approach 260 million units this year, according to Gartner. Five percent of that market is 13 million units. That&#8217;s a killer opportunity for Canonical and its partners. Ubuntu&#8217;s installed base is currently about 6 million to 12 million users, Canonical estimates. And the latest Ubuntu 7.10 release should help broaden the operating system&#8217;s appeal &#8212; especially with Dell backing it. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: TechIQ &#187; Archive &#187; Wal-Mart Stocks Ubuntu Linux</title>
		<link>http://www.thevarguy.com/2007/10/08/dell-preps-for-next-linux-desktop-release/comment-page-1/#comment-59032</link>
		<dc:creator>TechIQ &#187; Archive &#187; Wal-Mart Stocks Ubuntu Linux</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jan 2008 02:52:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] undeniable. The operating system, overseen by Canonical, received a major upgrade last month. And Dell continues to ship Ubuntu on selected systems. (In fact, The VAR Guy owns one of the systems.) Now, Everex has further customized Ubuntu as part [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] undeniable. The operating system, overseen by Canonical, received a major upgrade last month. And Dell continues to ship Ubuntu on selected systems. (In fact, The VAR Guy owns one of the systems.) Now, Everex has further customized Ubuntu as part [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Raul Quintana &#187; LTT56 - Amazon MP3, iPhone, Ubuntu, Palm Centro, Symphony</title>
		<link>http://www.thevarguy.com/2007/10/08/dell-preps-for-next-linux-desktop-release/comment-page-1/#comment-55923</link>
		<dc:creator>Raul Quintana &#187; LTT56 - Amazon MP3, iPhone, Ubuntu, Palm Centro, Symphony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Dec 2007 19:23:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] Lanzamiento de Ubuntu 7-10 Gutsy Gibbon [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<title>By: manny</title>
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		<dc:creator>manny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Nov 2007 14:27:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;@Rubab Khan&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;wow totally agree with you&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;you have done a great analisis&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Walmart and everex with the gPC / gOS (thinkgos.com) in my opinion are doing a much better job than dell.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Like you said, Dell needs to sell low-end pcs with ubuntu too !&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;a $300 ubuntu dell pc
a $450 ubuntu dell laptop&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;their 2 current high end offerings&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;

&lt;p&gt;ubuntu to the masses, to people who really need a pc or their first pc.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Rubab Khan</p>
<p>wow totally agree with you</p>
<p>you have done a great analisis</p>
<p>Walmart and everex with the gPC / gOS (thinkgos.com) in my opinion are doing a much better job than dell.</p>
<p>Like you said, Dell needs to sell low-end pcs with ubuntu too !</p>
<p>a $300 ubuntu dell pc<br />
a $450 ubuntu dell laptop</p>
<ul>
<li>their 2 current high end offerings</li>
</ul>
<p>ubuntu to the masses, to people who really need a pc or their first pc.</p>
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		<title>By: Top Linux News &#187; Dell Preps for Next Linux Desktop Release</title>
		<link>http://www.thevarguy.com/2007/10/08/dell-preps-for-next-linux-desktop-release/comment-page-1/#comment-40103</link>
		<dc:creator>Top Linux News &#187; Dell Preps for Next Linux Desktop Release</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Nov 2007 17:26:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] read more &#124; digg story [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<title>By: Wal-Mart Stocks Ubuntu &#171; All About Ubuntu</title>
		<link>http://www.thevarguy.com/2007/10/08/dell-preps-for-next-linux-desktop-release/comment-page-1/#comment-39064</link>
		<dc:creator>Wal-Mart Stocks Ubuntu &#171; All About Ubuntu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2007 15:33:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] undeniable. The operating system, overseen by Canonical, received a major upgrade last month. And Dell continues to ship Ubuntu on selected systems. (In fact, I own one of the Dell systems.) Now, Everex has further customized Ubuntu as part of the [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] undeniable. The operating system, overseen by Canonical, received a major upgrade last month. And Dell continues to ship Ubuntu on selected systems. (In fact, I own one of the Dell systems.) Now, Everex has further customized Ubuntu as part of the [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Lettre hebdomadaire Ubuntu nÂ° 61 du 7 au 13 octobre 2007 &#171; Lettre Hebdomadaire Ubuntu</title>
		<link>http://www.thevarguy.com/2007/10/08/dell-preps-for-next-linux-desktop-release/comment-page-1/#comment-38104</link>
		<dc:creator>Lettre hebdomadaire Ubuntu nÂ° 61 du 7 au 13 octobre 2007 &#171; Lettre Hebdomadaire Ubuntu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Oct 2007 21:12:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] Dell se prÃ©pare Ã  la prochaine sortie du bureau Linux - Une mise Ã  jour majeure du bureau Linux est prÃ©vue le 18 octobre. Michael Dell doit l&#8217;utiliser personnellement. Et le gÃ©ant du PC distribuera Ubuntu sur une sÃ©lection d&#8217;ordinateurs de bureau et de portables. [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Dell se prÃ©pare Ã  la prochaine sortie du bureau Linux &#8211; Une mise Ã  jour majeure du bureau Linux est prÃ©vue le 18 octobre. Michael Dell doit l&#8217;utiliser personnellement. Et le gÃ©ant du PC distribuera Ubuntu sur une sÃ©lection d&#8217;ordinateurs de bureau et de portables. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Rubab Khan</title>
		<link>http://www.thevarguy.com/2007/10/08/dell-preps-for-next-linux-desktop-release/comment-page-1/#comment-34101</link>
		<dc:creator>Rubab Khan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Oct 2007 03:08:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;We should be cautious about weighing too much on Linux based Dell
machines for many reasons:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;ol&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;p&gt;It is very difficult to even find the Linux machines on Dell
website. Which simply means that Dell wants to sell these computers to
people who * already * are in.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;p&gt;Linux installed Dell machines are prices * higher * than their
windows cousins. This is totally stupid of dell. They could easily
have brought same computers with windows or Linux with the latter
being $50 less.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;p&gt;When buying laptops / desktops you can&#039;t choose Linux. Nor does
Dell advertise Linux based machines in anyway either in the media or
on its site, it just asks &quot;Looking for open source&quot;?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;p&gt;Worst of all, it does * not * offers servers with free Linux,
neither Ubuntu server nor Debian. It only offers expensive Redhat or
SUSE. That&#039;s totally dumb.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ol&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Dell is selling a high end laptop (1420N)
and a high end desktop (530N) with Linux, whereas my 3 year old p4
with 512MB does perfectly fine with Ubuntu. The windows based
Inspiron 1420 and 530 with same config and service duration are
actually more expensive than the Linux based N series counterparts, so
your service cost argument is void. Dell could possibly offer Ubuntu
with simpler / intro level machines simply because unlike Windows,
Ubuntu/Linux is not resource hungry. So when I said just $50 lower,
meant the simplest intro machine minus windows to cost less than what
it would with windows.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I can&#039;t quote the source from the top of my head, but at the end of
2006 equal share of PC users were using Mac OS and Linux (all distro),
and that was about 8% + 8% . On the server side, Linux/Unix based
systems make most sense as people are worrying more about security
that Windows server does not provide (and apple is not even in the
server business).&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;There is genuine potential for Linux based PC&#039;s, but Dell needs to tap
the market. Just putting something up for sale and hoping people who
need it to find it is too retro. Since they decided to invest
resources into it, they better had done a clean job.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;It is of course commendable that Dell was smart enough to venture into
open source and offers Ubuntu Linux installed computers, but their
marketing fiasco is sure to make this cool move a loser. They have to
offer more than just one laptop and one desktop with Linux options,
and people should be allowed to find where these are listed on the
web. There&#039;s nothing to hide!&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We should be cautious about weighing too much on Linux based Dell<br />
machines for many reasons:</p>
<ol>
<li>
<p>It is very difficult to even find the Linux machines on Dell<br />
website. Which simply means that Dell wants to sell these computers to<br />
people who * already * are in.</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Linux installed Dell machines are prices * higher * than their<br />
windows cousins. This is totally stupid of dell. They could easily<br />
have brought same computers with windows or Linux with the latter<br />
being $50 less.</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>When buying laptops / desktops you can&#8217;t choose Linux. Nor does<br />
Dell advertise Linux based machines in anyway either in the media or<br />
on its site, it just asks &#8220;Looking for open source&#8221;?</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Worst of all, it does * not * offers servers with free Linux,<br />
neither Ubuntu server nor Debian. It only offers expensive Redhat or<br />
SUSE. That&#8217;s totally dumb.</p>
</li>
</ol>
<p>Dell is selling a high end laptop (1420N)<br />
and a high end desktop (530N) with Linux, whereas my 3 year old p4<br />
with 512MB does perfectly fine with Ubuntu. The windows based<br />
Inspiron 1420 and 530 with same config and service duration are<br />
actually more expensive than the Linux based N series counterparts, so<br />
your service cost argument is void. Dell could possibly offer Ubuntu<br />
with simpler / intro level machines simply because unlike Windows,<br />
Ubuntu/Linux is not resource hungry. So when I said just $50 lower,<br />
meant the simplest intro machine minus windows to cost less than what<br />
it would with windows.</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t quote the source from the top of my head, but at the end of<br />
2006 equal share of PC users were using Mac OS and Linux (all distro),<br />
and that was about 8% + 8% . On the server side, Linux/Unix based<br />
systems make most sense as people are worrying more about security<br />
that Windows server does not provide (and apple is not even in the<br />
server business).</p>
<p>There is genuine potential for Linux based PC&#8217;s, but Dell needs to tap<br />
the market. Just putting something up for sale and hoping people who<br />
need it to find it is too retro. Since they decided to invest<br />
resources into it, they better had done a clean job.</p>
<p>It is of course commendable that Dell was smart enough to venture into<br />
open source and offers Ubuntu Linux installed computers, but their<br />
marketing fiasco is sure to make this cool move a loser. They have to<br />
offer more than just one laptop and one desktop with Linux options,<br />
and people should be allowed to find where these are listed on the<br />
web. There&#8217;s nothing to hide!</p>
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		<title>By: Roberto</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roberto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Oct 2007 17:21:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;David Bender:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;You can switch from Windows xp home to Ubuntu 7.04 without any problems.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I&#039;m using 7.04 since many months and 7.10 beta since 2 weeks without any problems.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;It&#039;s amazing to see the stability of OS linux. You can run hours,days, without any reset or losing efficiency. I believe it&#039;s really improving very fast!&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David Bender:</p>
<p>You can switch from Windows xp home to Ubuntu 7.04 without any problems.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m using 7.04 since many months and 7.10 beta since 2 weeks without any problems.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s amazing to see the stability of OS linux. You can run hours,days, without any reset or losing efficiency. I believe it&#8217;s really improving very fast!</p>
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		<title>By: david bender</title>
		<link>http://www.thevarguy.com/2007/10/08/dell-preps-for-next-linux-desktop-release/comment-page-1/#comment-33660</link>
		<dc:creator>david bender</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Oct 2007 23:45:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;i am writing to find out which of the linux systems are compatible with window xp home.  i would appreciate any help in this matter thanks&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i am writing to find out which of the linux systems are compatible with window xp home.  i would appreciate any help in this matter thanks</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Harrison</title>
		<link>http://www.thevarguy.com/2007/10/08/dell-preps-for-next-linux-desktop-release/comment-page-1/#comment-33158</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Harrison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Oct 2007 23:17:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;There are a FEW areas in which my business still needs Windows applications, but for &quot;general business use&quot;, Ubuntu has been a workable solution for some while.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;p&gt;Email, more than adequate (and yes, Blackberry support is there), not quite as polished as the MS solution, but saving several thousand.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;p&gt;Office suite, adequate. Not as good as MS Office, but the re-training issue is there with Office2007 just as much as it is with OOo. Saving few hundred per seat.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;p&gt;Web access. Firefox is just as good as Internet explorer (in fact, most of our Windows users have moved over to the Windows version of Firefox anyway.)&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;

&lt;p&gt;In fact, because our in-house applications are web-based anyway, it really doesn&#039;t matter too much what clients we run for &quot;general business use&quot;.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The two areas where we still need more applications:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;p&gt;Financials. Sorry, people, but until they release Sage for Linux, then our accountant ain&#039;t going to swap.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;p&gt;Audio editing. Audacity is good, but for professional work, Audition still has the edge, particularly in things like Fourier noise reduction. Given that one of our divisions releases audio-books for a living, this is kind of important for us... but that is ONE member of the team, who need a high-end application anyway, not a general roll-out issue.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The question is, as ever, one of support costs.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;If Linux could do EVERYTHING, then it would be clear-cut. There are enough local firms offering Linux support that we have reassurance, and our in-house IT people all seem to run Linux at home anyway, so would be delighted for us to move over.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The problem, for the moment, is that the overall cost of running a MIXED desktop environment is still a thorn in the side of the budget... I guess we&#039;re all used to that from the odd person who NEEDS (TM) a Mac, though :-)&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are a FEW areas in which my business still needs Windows applications, but for &#8220;general business use&#8221;, Ubuntu has been a workable solution for some while.</p>
<ul>
<li>
<p>Email, more than adequate (and yes, Blackberry support is there), not quite as polished as the MS solution, but saving several thousand.</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Office suite, adequate. Not as good as MS Office, but the re-training issue is there with Office2007 just as much as it is with OOo. Saving few hundred per seat.</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Web access. Firefox is just as good as Internet explorer (in fact, most of our Windows users have moved over to the Windows version of Firefox anyway.)</p>
</li>
</ul>
<p>In fact, because our in-house applications are web-based anyway, it really doesn&#8217;t matter too much what clients we run for &#8220;general business use&#8221;.</p>
<p>The two areas where we still need more applications:</p>
<ul>
<li>
<p>Financials. Sorry, people, but until they release Sage for Linux, then our accountant ain&#8217;t going to swap.</p>
</li>
<li>
<p>Audio editing. Audacity is good, but for professional work, Audition still has the edge, particularly in things like Fourier noise reduction. Given that one of our divisions releases audio-books for a living, this is kind of important for us&#8230; but that is ONE member of the team, who need a high-end application anyway, not a general roll-out issue.</p>
</li>
</ul>
<p>The question is, as ever, one of support costs.</p>
<p>If Linux could do EVERYTHING, then it would be clear-cut. There are enough local firms offering Linux support that we have reassurance, and our in-house IT people all seem to run Linux at home anyway, so would be delighted for us to move over.</p>
<p>The problem, for the moment, is that the overall cost of running a MIXED desktop environment is still a thorn in the side of the budget&#8230; I guess we&#8217;re all used to that from the odd person who NEEDS (TM) a Mac, though <img src='http://www.thevarguy.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: jake</title>
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		<dc:creator>jake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Oct 2007 04:56:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;SabayonLinux.  Try it. based off gentoo, which is &lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;way&lt;/i&gt;&lt;b&gt; better than ubuntu.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SabayonLinux.  Try it. based off gentoo, which is <b><i>way</i></b><b> better than ubuntu.</b></p>
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