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	<title>Comments on: Is Open Source Recession-Proof?</title>
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		<title>By: TechIQ &#187; Archive &#187; Software Sales: Proceed With Caution?</title>
		<link>http://www.thevarguy.com/2007/11/13/is-open-source-recession-proof/#comment-49228</link>
		<dc:creator>TechIQ &#187; Archive &#187; Software Sales: Proceed With Caution?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Nov 2007 02:01:02 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.thevarguy.com/2007/11/13/is-open-source-recession-proof/#comment-49228</guid>
		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] quick summary of Goldman&#8217;s views over on Barron&#8217;s. The VAR Guy, you&#8217;ll recall, is wondering if open source software companies are immune to an economic slowdown &#8212; or at least better positioned than their closed-source [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] quick summary of Goldman&#8217;s views over on Barron&#8217;s. The VAR Guy, you&#8217;ll recall, is wondering if open source software companies are immune to an economic slowdown &#8212; or at least better positioned than their closed-source [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Stemos</title>
		<link>http://www.thevarguy.com/2007/11/13/is-open-source-recession-proof/#comment-48219</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim Stemos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2007 16:01:18 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.thevarguy.com/2007/11/13/is-open-source-recession-proof/#comment-48219</guid>
		<description>&lt;p&gt;Great take on the market..... Projity is another company that is growing rapidly with their OpenProj solution. They have over 150,000 downloads in two months. This is a free replacement of Microsoft Project and even opens native Microsoft files on Linux, Unix, Mac or Windows.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;It turns out that Project is part of the Office Suite but not bundled into any of the pre-set Suites but is installed on 7% of all Office desktops. Microsoft Project has a list price of $1,000 and is the highest profit margin SKU up in Redmond. They do over $1 billion each year in Project sales. In a  tough economic environment people will not pay $1,000 per copy of Project when OpenProj is free and Projity's SaaS solution (Project-ON-Demand) is only $19.99/month.  In good times you can make the argument that an open source solution available on Linux, Unix, Mac or Windows makes sense... in tough times you can make the clear argument for free or low cost SaaS solutions. FYI, Project also requires  Project Server, SQL Server, Sharepoint Server and Visio to work properly. The burden cost for companies is far higher than the $1000 list price.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Projity is riding the wave that Marten Mikos noted: they have a strong community that has translated the solution into French, Spanish, German, Portuguese, Swedish, Russian and Chinese in just the two months they have been released. Microsoft has spent 20 years and have a few thousand employees working on Office Project. Projity has a worldwide team including myself who actively support the solution. We see a clear path to 11+ million worldwide users. This can be garnered in good or bad economic conditions.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Great arguments, I agree !!!!&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great take on the market&#8230;.. Projity is another company that is growing rapidly with their OpenProj solution. They have over 150,000 downloads in two months. This is a free replacement of Microsoft Project and even opens native Microsoft files on Linux, Unix, Mac or Windows.</p>
<p>It turns out that Project is part of the Office Suite but not bundled into any of the pre-set Suites but is installed on 7% of all Office desktops. Microsoft Project has a list price of $1,000 and is the highest profit margin SKU up in Redmond. They do over $1 billion each year in Project sales. In a  tough economic environment people will not pay $1,000 per copy of Project when OpenProj is free and Projity&#8217;s SaaS solution (Project-ON-Demand) is only $19.99/month.  In good times you can make the argument that an open source solution available on Linux, Unix, Mac or Windows makes sense&#8230; in tough times you can make the clear argument for free or low cost SaaS solutions. FYI, Project also requires  Project Server, SQL Server, Sharepoint Server and Visio to work properly. The burden cost for companies is far higher than the $1000 list price.</p>
<p>Projity is riding the wave that Marten Mikos noted: they have a strong community that has translated the solution into French, Spanish, German, Portuguese, Swedish, Russian and Chinese in just the two months they have been released. Microsoft has spent 20 years and have a few thousand employees working on Office Project. Projity has a worldwide team including myself who actively support the solution. We see a clear path to 11+ million worldwide users. This can be garnered in good or bad economic conditions.</p>
<p>Great arguments, I agree !!!!</p>
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		<title>By: goran</title>
		<link>http://www.thevarguy.com/2007/11/13/is-open-source-recession-proof/#comment-45104</link>
		<dc:creator>goran</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Nov 2007 10:23:55 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.thevarguy.com/2007/11/13/is-open-source-recession-proof/#comment-45104</guid>
		<description>&lt;p&gt;Geroge,&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;M$ can not go open source, no way. Way to much in its own structrure is extra profit.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Geroge,</p>
<p>M$ can not go open source, no way. Way to much in its own structrure is extra profit.</p>
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		<title>By: Vtron</title>
		<link>http://www.thevarguy.com/2007/11/13/is-open-source-recession-proof/#comment-44248</link>
		<dc:creator>Vtron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Nov 2007 03:45:08 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.thevarguy.com/2007/11/13/is-open-source-recession-proof/#comment-44248</guid>
		<description>&lt;p&gt;I going to say not only is open-source recession proof, but that it thrives in a recession. Red Hat's stock price (and VA Linux's) when the dot-com bubble burst were both grossly over-valued at the time (along with many other tech stock). This was a major reason for the crash then, too many companies just couldn't match the wild expectations of investors. In a recession, not only will the code still survive, but newly unemployed IT workers will spend more time working on the code and not maintaining  infrastructure so they could get back to work with someone or form a new start-up. In addition the hobbyist community is not going to go away. What it means is when closed companies layoff employees they have fewer workers for their projects. When open companies lay-off they have more workers (paradoxically enough) as the newly unemployed spend less time maintaining and more time building. Result, the code survives no matter what, and development of new software picks up at the expense of finding and making new service contracts. In the closed competitor though, they not don't get new service contracts and sales slow, but development slows as well.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I going to say not only is open-source recession proof, but that it thrives in a recession. Red Hat&#8217;s stock price (and VA Linux&#8217;s) when the dot-com bubble burst were both grossly over-valued at the time (along with many other tech stock). This was a major reason for the crash then, too many companies just couldn&#8217;t match the wild expectations of investors. In a recession, not only will the code still survive, but newly unemployed IT workers will spend more time working on the code and not maintaining  infrastructure so they could get back to work with someone or form a new start-up. In addition the hobbyist community is not going to go away. What it means is when closed companies layoff employees they have fewer workers for their projects. When open companies lay-off they have more workers (paradoxically enough) as the newly unemployed spend less time maintaining and more time building. Result, the code survives no matter what, and development of new software picks up at the expense of finding and making new service contracts. In the closed competitor though, they not don&#8217;t get new service contracts and sales slow, but development slows as well.</p>
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		<title>By: MikeFM</title>
		<link>http://www.thevarguy.com/2007/11/13/is-open-source-recession-proof/#comment-43858</link>
		<dc:creator>MikeFM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2007 03:29:22 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.thevarguy.com/2007/11/13/is-open-source-recession-proof/#comment-43858</guid>
		<description>&lt;p&gt;I have to agree with Andy. When we have more free time, such as when unemployed or underemployed, us programmers tend to do a lot of coding. We improve what is already out there and come up with new stuff that becomes part of the next upward tech market wave.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;That doesn't always translate into good business. Like anyone, we have to eat and pay our bills. If nobody pays us then we're less prone to doing the annoying parts of being a programmer such as writing documentation and offering support. Often businesses will want to use our code but they don't want to pay anything for it. Sure you can save money upfront by being cheap but in the end it'll cost more than if you start off as a paying customer.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;In a recession the bigger open source companies will do well because they do have a lot of their own programmers and support staff. Smaller companies will find it harder because the community will be less willing to give away their time and expertise doing boring stuff. The bigger companies will still spend less than their closed source rivals but they still have to spend money to keep their business running.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to agree with Andy. When we have more free time, such as when unemployed or underemployed, us programmers tend to do a lot of coding. We improve what is already out there and come up with new stuff that becomes part of the next upward tech market wave.</p>
<p>That doesn&#8217;t always translate into good business. Like anyone, we have to eat and pay our bills. If nobody pays us then we&#8217;re less prone to doing the annoying parts of being a programmer such as writing documentation and offering support. Often businesses will want to use our code but they don&#8217;t want to pay anything for it. Sure you can save money upfront by being cheap but in the end it&#8217;ll cost more than if you start off as a paying customer.</p>
<p>In a recession the bigger open source companies will do well because they do have a lot of their own programmers and support staff. Smaller companies will find it harder because the community will be less willing to give away their time and expertise doing boring stuff. The bigger companies will still spend less than their closed source rivals but they still have to spend money to keep their business running.</p>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
		<link>http://www.thevarguy.com/2007/11/13/is-open-source-recession-proof/#comment-43824</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2007 01:52:38 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.thevarguy.com/2007/11/13/is-open-source-recession-proof/#comment-43824</guid>
		<description>&lt;p&gt;You're mixing two stories here.  You seem to indicate that Open Source development and progress is recession proof.  Then you switch to talking about a few OSS companies who are public and how their stock faired.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The development of Linux and other open source software continues at full speed whether Red Hat makes money next quarter or not.  Many unemployed or under employed tech workers will spend time working on OSS projects - thus a recession will actually give a boost to the pace of improvement in the sector. So, open source development is recession proof.   Companies and stock prices are not.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re mixing two stories here.  You seem to indicate that Open Source development and progress is recession proof.  Then you switch to talking about a few OSS companies who are public and how their stock faired.</p>
<p>The development of Linux and other open source software continues at full speed whether Red Hat makes money next quarter or not.  Many unemployed or under employed tech workers will spend time working on OSS projects - thus a recession will actually give a boost to the pace of improvement in the sector. So, open source development is recession proof.   Companies and stock prices are not.</p>
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		<title>By: Real</title>
		<link>http://www.thevarguy.com/2007/11/13/is-open-source-recession-proof/#comment-43681</link>
		<dc:creator>Real</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2007 17:30:34 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.thevarguy.com/2007/11/13/is-open-source-recession-proof/#comment-43681</guid>
		<description>&lt;p&gt;Another bozo tekkie who thinks he can pick stocks, and be an economist.  Stick to writing about video cards.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another bozo tekkie who thinks he can pick stocks, and be an economist.  Stick to writing about video cards.</p>
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		<title>By: Dev Chandrasekhar</title>
		<link>http://www.thevarguy.com/2007/11/13/is-open-source-recession-proof/#comment-43624</link>
		<dc:creator>Dev Chandrasekhar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2007 15:11:09 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.thevarguy.com/2007/11/13/is-open-source-recession-proof/#comment-43624</guid>
		<description>&lt;p&gt;Pardon my typo; the last line of my previous post should read "SugarCRM is not true open source"&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pardon my typo; the last line of my previous post should read &#8220;SugarCRM is not true open source&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Dev Chandrasekhar</title>
		<link>http://www.thevarguy.com/2007/11/13/is-open-source-recession-proof/#comment-43566</link>
		<dc:creator>Dev Chandrasekhar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2007 11:48:27 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.thevarguy.com/2007/11/13/is-open-source-recession-proof/#comment-43566</guid>
		<description>&lt;p&gt;Johnny:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Zimbra integrated many open source components and Yahoo thought it was worth USD 350 million; Citrix bought XenSource, the virtualization co, for US 500 million; Xen users open source. MySQL will make money, Asterisk will make money, and so will Ubuntu, Openbravo, Adempiere, Scalix, and all those who will integrate these wonderful products and technologies in the coming years.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;And MySQL is not true open source.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Johnny:</p>
<p>Zimbra integrated many open source components and Yahoo thought it was worth USD 350 million; Citrix bought XenSource, the virtualization co, for US 500 million; Xen users open source. MySQL will make money, Asterisk will make money, and so will Ubuntu, Openbravo, Adempiere, Scalix, and all those who will integrate these wonderful products and technologies in the coming years.</p>
<p>And MySQL is not true open source.</p>
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		<title>By: Johnny Hughes</title>
		<link>http://www.thevarguy.com/2007/11/13/is-open-source-recession-proof/#comment-43471</link>
		<dc:creator>Johnny Hughes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2007 06:22:22 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.thevarguy.com/2007/11/13/is-open-source-recession-proof/#comment-43471</guid>
		<description>&lt;p&gt;George,&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;If your company uses open source, and if you are doing work on an open source project for the benefit of your company, how does that make you expendable.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Sure ... if your job is a programmer at Microsoft and you spend all your time programming Firefox, then you are expendable.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;If, on the other hand, you are working on a project like DimDim or MySQL and it is installed on 150 servers inside your company's infrastructure ... and if their business model uses that to make money you are FAR from expendable.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;WHAT ... people actually use open source to MAKE MONEY?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Wake up George ... this is not 1985&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>George,</p>
<p>If your company uses open source, and if you are doing work on an open source project for the benefit of your company, how does that make you expendable.</p>
<p>Sure &#8230; if your job is a programmer at Microsoft and you spend all your time programming Firefox, then you are expendable.</p>
<p>If, on the other hand, you are working on a project like DimDim or MySQL and it is installed on 150 servers inside your company&#8217;s infrastructure &#8230; and if their business model uses that to make money you are FAR from expendable.</p>
<p>WHAT &#8230; people actually use open source to MAKE MONEY?</p>
<p>Wake up George &#8230; this is not 1985</p>
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		<title>By: The VAR Guy</title>
		<link>http://www.thevarguy.com/2007/11/13/is-open-source-recession-proof/#comment-43303</link>
		<dc:creator>The VAR Guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2007 19:20:53 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.thevarguy.com/2007/11/13/is-open-source-recession-proof/#comment-43303</guid>
		<description>&lt;p&gt;George,&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Great points. Pretty lame that The VAR Guy's thinking didn't include key issues like exchange rates and global reach. But on the other hand, that's why The VAR Guy blogs for a living and never had the guts to compete with MSFT on his own.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>George,</p>
<p>Great points. Pretty lame that The VAR Guy&#8217;s thinking didn&#8217;t include key issues like exchange rates and global reach. But on the other hand, that&#8217;s why The VAR Guy blogs for a living and never had the guts to compete with MSFT on his own.</p>
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		<title>By: George</title>
		<link>http://www.thevarguy.com/2007/11/13/is-open-source-recession-proof/#comment-43288</link>
		<dc:creator>George</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2007 18:55:01 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.thevarguy.com/2007/11/13/is-open-source-recession-proof/#comment-43288</guid>
		<description>&lt;p&gt;Microsoft has a global marketplace that will weather a recession much better than smaller companies.   The falling value of the dollar means that they are making more from their rather significant offshore sales.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;A full blown recession or (god forbid) depression will be very bad for the open source community.   If you have enough time to spend writing code for an open source project, you probably are not giving your company a good value for their money.   That means you are expendable.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;If becoming open source were a financial advantage, Microsoft would do it.  There is no magic to publishing your source code -- and in fact Microsoft does publish some of theirs as they feel appropriate for their business.   In the end few customers really care -- they want their people using the products, not spending time tweaking the operating system.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Microsoft has a global marketplace that will weather a recession much better than smaller companies.   The falling value of the dollar means that they are making more from their rather significant offshore sales.</p>
<p>A full blown recession or (god forbid) depression will be very bad for the open source community.   If you have enough time to spend writing code for an open source project, you probably are not giving your company a good value for their money.   That means you are expendable.</p>
<p>If becoming open source were a financial advantage, Microsoft would do it.  There is no magic to publishing your source code &#8212; and in fact Microsoft does publish some of theirs as they feel appropriate for their business.   In the end few customers really care &#8212; they want their people using the products, not spending time tweaking the operating system.</p>
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