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		<title>By: DMN</title>
		<link>http://www.thevarguy.com/2008/01/10/duming-open-source-for-microsoft-office/comment-page-1/#comment-112163</link>
		<dc:creator>DMN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Aug 2010 17:01:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good points, but both NeoOffice, Thunderbird, and Google Suite have developed well beyond the problems mentioned in this article. They are great, powerful tools, flexible, have add-ons/extensions to do amazing things, and offer great integrations (check out how you can include Gmail on Thunderbird via IMAP, and also G-Cal on Thunderbird via an add-on). 

Open source is developing, and offering many things not possible in MS Office and other such tools.  I definitely encourage you give it another try!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good points, but both NeoOffice, Thunderbird, and Google Suite have developed well beyond the problems mentioned in this article. They are great, powerful tools, flexible, have add-ons/extensions to do amazing things, and offer great integrations (check out how you can include Gmail on Thunderbird via IMAP, and also G-Cal on Thunderbird via an add-on). </p>
<p>Open source is developing, and offering many things not possible in MS Office and other such tools.  I definitely encourage you give it another try!</p>
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		<title>By: Microsoft Windows Vista Home Basic - Upgrade package</title>
		<link>http://www.thevarguy.com/2008/01/10/duming-open-source-for-microsoft-office/comment-page-1/#comment-59985</link>
		<dc:creator>Microsoft Windows Vista Home Basic - Upgrade package</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2008 23:45:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Microsoft Windows Vista Home Basic - Upgrade package...&lt;/strong&gt;

yes indeed......</description>
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<p>yes indeed&#8230;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Jose_X</title>
		<link>http://www.thevarguy.com/2008/01/10/duming-open-source-for-microsoft-office/comment-page-1/#comment-59086</link>
		<dc:creator>Jose_X</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2008 06:42:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris Cox, you make some good points, but there is value in patience. Imagine if you always reverted to the beginning of Kindergarten when you failed something. A little persevering can go a long way, as once things are learned once (and there are usually a few small such bumps in a noob&#039;s life) they stop becoming issues. Imagine if when you were thirsty you cried and ran back to momma each and every time. On the other hand, when you learn where the fridge is and what to do when you get there, it becomes very empowering and automatic (no thought effort required thereafter). We have a pretty big brain. Surely besides video games it is capable of holding something else.

I think the biggest difference between users of Windows and users of Linux is that users of Linux continue to grow and become more and more computer savvy as long as they are willing to advance. This doesn&#039;t mean you memorize all sorts of useless stuff, but rather whatever comfortable amount fits your lifestyle. Windows users have many artificial ceilings because of all the hush hush surrounding Microsoft&#039;s closed source products. Some of these ceilings can get very inconvenient and have no way around them. It&#039;s only a matter of time before you outgrow Windows in some important capacity. Adapting to these Windows limitations psychologically means growing to believe that you can never master computers or do anything that really stands out (like remastering a very cool Linux LiveCD/DVD with your favorite games and settings all set up to show off to your friends or associates).

And the best of all in Linux&#039; favor is that you don&#039;t have to worry about what you learned in the past becoming obsolete after a round of just-about-forced upgrades. All is not rosy for Linux users as new things do appear to come too fast sometimes, but it&#039;s nice to know that once you reach the third grade and start cruising just a bit, you will not be forced to learn any more than you want to learn while still having access to the latest and greatest with a few mouse clicks once you are ready. [Some distros are getting quite good at realizing this somewhat ideal smooth transitioning.]

And of course, Linux and open source does improve at a faster rate than Microsoft&#039;s products. It&#039;s a matter of time before Linux will generally be considered to be ahead in virtually all categories (for noobs and for more advanced users). At that time, I wonder how many will be able to safely and easily migrate to Advanced Cool Linux the part of their lives that will be stuck inside Vista somewhere.

Linux is not perfect by any means, but it&#039;s getting there :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris Cox, you make some good points, but there is value in patience. Imagine if you always reverted to the beginning of Kindergarten when you failed something. A little persevering can go a long way, as once things are learned once (and there are usually a few small such bumps in a noob&#8217;s life) they stop becoming issues. Imagine if when you were thirsty you cried and ran back to momma each and every time. On the other hand, when you learn where the fridge is and what to do when you get there, it becomes very empowering and automatic (no thought effort required thereafter). We have a pretty big brain. Surely besides video games it is capable of holding something else.</p>
<p>I think the biggest difference between users of Windows and users of Linux is that users of Linux continue to grow and become more and more computer savvy as long as they are willing to advance. This doesn&#8217;t mean you memorize all sorts of useless stuff, but rather whatever comfortable amount fits your lifestyle. Windows users have many artificial ceilings because of all the hush hush surrounding Microsoft&#8217;s closed source products. Some of these ceilings can get very inconvenient and have no way around them. It&#8217;s only a matter of time before you outgrow Windows in some important capacity. Adapting to these Windows limitations psychologically means growing to believe that you can never master computers or do anything that really stands out (like remastering a very cool Linux LiveCD/DVD with your favorite games and settings all set up to show off to your friends or associates).</p>
<p>And the best of all in Linux&#8217; favor is that you don&#8217;t have to worry about what you learned in the past becoming obsolete after a round of just-about-forced upgrades. All is not rosy for Linux users as new things do appear to come too fast sometimes, but it&#8217;s nice to know that once you reach the third grade and start cruising just a bit, you will not be forced to learn any more than you want to learn while still having access to the latest and greatest with a few mouse clicks once you are ready. [Some distros are getting quite good at realizing this somewhat ideal smooth transitioning.]</p>
<p>And of course, Linux and open source does improve at a faster rate than Microsoft&#8217;s products. It&#8217;s a matter of time before Linux will generally be considered to be ahead in virtually all categories (for noobs and for more advanced users). At that time, I wonder how many will be able to safely and easily migrate to Advanced Cool Linux the part of their lives that will be stuck inside Vista somewhere.</p>
<p>Linux is not perfect by any means, but it&#8217;s getting there <img src='http://c810354.r54.cf2.rackcdn.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Jose_X</title>
		<link>http://www.thevarguy.com/2008/01/10/duming-open-source-for-microsoft-office/comment-page-1/#comment-59085</link>
		<dc:creator>Jose_X</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2008 06:18:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>VAR Guy, I am surprised you are not disgusted by the machinery being built into Microsoft products for improving their access to what should be your personal and private affairs while more easily covering their tracks (remember we are not talking about open source). Closed source products should be avoided for a number of reasons. Each new iteration is worse than the last because of the possibilities that open up with improved processing power on PC&#039;s. Additionally, migrating away becomes tougher with each &quot;upgrade.&quot; Identity theft and loss of strategic information are only a real issue on closed platforms like Windows and Vista, made worse when you use even more closed software like MS Office [at least this is the case for those that take care when online].

Not everyone runs a serious business, however, so ymmv.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>VAR Guy, I am surprised you are not disgusted by the machinery being built into Microsoft products for improving their access to what should be your personal and private affairs while more easily covering their tracks (remember we are not talking about open source). Closed source products should be avoided for a number of reasons. Each new iteration is worse than the last because of the possibilities that open up with improved processing power on PC&#8217;s. Additionally, migrating away becomes tougher with each &#8220;upgrade.&#8221; Identity theft and loss of strategic information are only a real issue on closed platforms like Windows and Vista, made worse when you use even more closed software like MS Office [at least this is the case for those that take care when online].</p>
<p>Not everyone runs a serious business, however, so ymmv.</p>
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		<title>By: bob</title>
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		<dc:creator>bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jan 2008 02:12:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Get the Lightning plugin for Firebird.  It&#039;s an integrated calender / meeting tracker plugin that can interface with Exchange calender.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Get the Lightning plugin for Firebird.  It&#8217;s an integrated calender / meeting tracker plugin that can interface with Exchange calender.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Cox</title>
		<link>http://www.thevarguy.com/2008/01/10/duming-open-source-for-microsoft-office/comment-page-1/#comment-59075</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Cox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jan 2008 23:00:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well... I&#039;m going to side a bit with the VAR guy.  Why?  The VAR Guy was focused on getting the job done and a choice was made.  I mean, the VAR Guy tried an alternative to MS Office, and then went back.  There&#039;s nothing wrong about that.

With that said, I&#039;ve learned some things with regards to dealing with MS Office vs. open (OpenOffice) products.  People usually get disenchanted with MS stuff when things go really bad... and they usually do... so no surprise.  It gets frustrating the 3rd time your .pst file gets corrupted due to no fault of your own.  You lose data, you lose patience and lose some valuable time.  There doesn&#039;t appear to be a fix, but you ARE in a boat with a lot of other castaways... and misery loves company!!

However, if/when a similar occurence happens with the &quot;open&quot; product, often times there is a &quot;solution&quot;... but sometimes the solution is complicated and sometimes you just can&#039;t figure it out.  And THAT, is even more frustrating than being in the same boat with the castaways trapped in the sea of MS.

Open products are by nature more flexible and infinitely more fixable... but sometimes people prefer a sympathetic (normal) life boat over patching holes (and the resulting learning curve) in the ocean liner.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well&#8230; I&#8217;m going to side a bit with the VAR guy.  Why?  The VAR Guy was focused on getting the job done and a choice was made.  I mean, the VAR Guy tried an alternative to MS Office, and then went back.  There&#8217;s nothing wrong about that.</p>
<p>With that said, I&#8217;ve learned some things with regards to dealing with MS Office vs. open (OpenOffice) products.  People usually get disenchanted with MS stuff when things go really bad&#8230; and they usually do&#8230; so no surprise.  It gets frustrating the 3rd time your .pst file gets corrupted due to no fault of your own.  You lose data, you lose patience and lose some valuable time.  There doesn&#8217;t appear to be a fix, but you ARE in a boat with a lot of other castaways&#8230; and misery loves company!!</p>
<p>However, if/when a similar occurence happens with the &#8220;open&#8221; product, often times there is a &#8220;solution&#8221;&#8230; but sometimes the solution is complicated and sometimes you just can&#8217;t figure it out.  And THAT, is even more frustrating than being in the same boat with the castaways trapped in the sea of MS.</p>
<p>Open products are by nature more flexible and infinitely more fixable&#8230; but sometimes people prefer a sympathetic (normal) life boat over patching holes (and the resulting learning curve) in the ocean liner.</p>
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		<title>By: The VAR Guy</title>
		<link>http://www.thevarguy.com/2008/01/10/duming-open-source-for-microsoft-office/comment-page-1/#comment-59073</link>
		<dc:creator>The VAR Guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jan 2008 17:51:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Buzz: Yes, Microsoft Office comes with a cost. But in this case, it&#039;s the $150 package for small businesses, students and home users -- not the $500 cost you stated. Yes, The VAR Guy blogs away from a home office at an undisclosed location.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Buzz: Yes, Microsoft Office comes with a cost. But in this case, it&#8217;s the $150 package for small businesses, students and home users &#8212; not the $500 cost you stated. Yes, The VAR Guy blogs away from a home office at an undisclosed location.</p>
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		<title>By: Buzz</title>
		<link>http://www.thevarguy.com/2008/01/10/duming-open-source-for-microsoft-office/comment-page-1/#comment-59072</link>
		<dc:creator>Buzz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jan 2008 17:25:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There were other options such as Evolution on MAC...

So VAR picked the closest thing that he had on the shelf. In a general sense this is a solution that costs several hundred dollars--extremely impractical on a large scale. So what and who cares. He could have bought another -&gt;entire computer system&lt;- for how he chose to solve the problem. Grabbing a $500 office package is not an option for most people. A foolish choice indeed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There were other options such as Evolution on MAC&#8230;</p>
<p>So VAR picked the closest thing that he had on the shelf. In a general sense this is a solution that costs several hundred dollars&#8211;extremely impractical on a large scale. So what and who cares. He could have bought another -&gt;entire computer system&lt;- for how he chose to solve the problem. Grabbing a $500 office package is not an option for most people. A foolish choice indeed.</p>
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		<title>By: The VAR Guy</title>
		<link>http://www.thevarguy.com/2008/01/10/duming-open-source-for-microsoft-office/comment-page-1/#comment-59071</link>
		<dc:creator>The VAR Guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jan 2008 16:07:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris, Thanks for the suggestion. The VAR Guy has a business to build right now so he&#039;ll be on Microsoft Office the next few weeks. But maybe by February he will explore the Thunderbird add-on for Google Calendar along with Mac OS X build of Evolution. Thanks for the timely, important tips for The VAR Guy and his readers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris, Thanks for the suggestion. The VAR Guy has a business to build right now so he&#8217;ll be on Microsoft Office the next few weeks. But maybe by February he will explore the Thunderbird add-on for Google Calendar along with Mac OS X build of Evolution. Thanks for the timely, important tips for The VAR Guy and his readers.</p>
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		<title>By: Christopher Baluyut</title>
		<link>http://www.thevarguy.com/2008/01/10/duming-open-source-for-microsoft-office/comment-page-1/#comment-59070</link>
		<dc:creator>Christopher Baluyut</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jan 2008 15:54:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;And a closing note to you open source fans out there: NeoOffice is a nice choice if you simply need a productivity suite. But once you throw in email and calendaring, all bets are off.&quot;

I don&#039;t know, I don&#039;t use a Mac :P But using Thunderbird is great. You could have tried a Thunderbird add-on to access Google  Calendar on Thunderbird. Also, there is a Mac OS X build of Evolution, the defacto groupware on Linux. I wished you searched  for other possibilities...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;And a closing note to you open source fans out there: NeoOffice is a nice choice if you simply need a productivity suite. But once you throw in email and calendaring, all bets are off.&#8221;</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know, I don&#8217;t use a Mac <img src='http://c810354.r54.cf2.rackcdn.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' />  But using Thunderbird is great. You could have tried a Thunderbird add-on to access Google  Calendar on Thunderbird. Also, there is a Mac OS X build of Evolution, the defacto groupware on Linux. I wished you searched  for other possibilities&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: TANK</title>
		<link>http://www.thevarguy.com/2008/01/10/duming-open-source-for-microsoft-office/comment-page-1/#comment-59069</link>
		<dc:creator>TANK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jan 2008 15:51:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But isn&#039;t it great that we HAVE a choice...
Competition is good.  We all end up benefiting. 
Sharing all the good ideas for everyone to use sounds good to me.  Like integrating office program with email.  Simple idea and effective.

Enjoy your proprietary office program.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But isn&#8217;t it great that we HAVE a choice&#8230;<br />
Competition is good.  We all end up benefiting.<br />
Sharing all the good ideas for everyone to use sounds good to me.  Like integrating office program with email.  Simple idea and effective.</p>
<p>Enjoy your proprietary office program.</p>
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		<title>By: Gonzo.Jr</title>
		<link>http://www.thevarguy.com/2008/01/10/duming-open-source-for-microsoft-office/comment-page-1/#comment-59068</link>
		<dc:creator>Gonzo.Jr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jan 2008 15:43:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OpenOffice, &quot;it&#039;s not perfect, but it does the job&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OpenOffice, &#8220;it&#8217;s not perfect, but it does the job&#8221;</p>
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