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	<title>Comments on: Should Novell Invade Red Hat Summit?</title>
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		<title>By: The VAR Guy</title>
		<link>http://www.thevarguy.com/2008/06/10/should-novell-invade-red-hat-summit/comment-page-1/#comment-71215</link>
		<dc:creator>The VAR Guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 22:57:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>James @10: That was a classic commit. Wittier than even The VAR Guy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James @10: That was a classic commit. Wittier than even The VAR Guy.</p>
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		<title>By: James Gerber</title>
		<link>http://www.thevarguy.com/2008/06/10/should-novell-invade-red-hat-summit/comment-page-1/#comment-71199</link>
		<dc:creator>James Gerber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 20:43:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hey Joe,

I&#039;ll be on the lookout for any interestingly-placed Novell ads in the area besides the banners in the Pru, I&#039;m there just about every day.  (I also live just down the street from Novell&#039;s headquarters in Waltham so this is pretty cool to see).  

And to Red Hat if anyone is reading, if you want to get back at Novell, let me know, I can give you some good places in Waltham.  :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hey Joe,</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll be on the lookout for any interestingly-placed Novell ads in the area besides the banners in the Pru, I&#8217;m there just about every day.  (I also live just down the street from Novell&#8217;s headquarters in Waltham so this is pretty cool to see).  </p>
<p>And to Red Hat if anyone is reading, if you want to get back at Novell, let me know, I can give you some good places in Waltham.  <img src='http://www.thevarguy.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Ian Bruce</title>
		<link>http://www.thevarguy.com/2008/06/10/should-novell-invade-red-hat-summit/comment-page-1/#comment-71163</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian Bruce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 17:02:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ian Bruce from Novell PR here. Re Johnny&#039;s comment #4 above, we do provide our SRPMs (and we have for a long time), take a look at www.novell.com/linux/source/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ian Bruce from Novell PR here. Re Johnny&#8217;s comment #4 above, we do provide our SRPMs (and we have for a long time), take a look at <a href="http://www.novell.com/linux/source/" rel="nofollow">http://www.novell.com/linux/source/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Johnny Hughes</title>
		<link>http://www.thevarguy.com/2008/06/10/should-novell-invade-red-hat-summit/comment-page-1/#comment-71060</link>
		<dc:creator>Johnny Hughes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 02:10:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>don&#039;t take my word for it ... see that Eben Moglen and Groklaw have to say:

http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20080611191302741

Specifically from Moglen:

&quot;Red Hat&#039;s settlement of outstanding patent litigation on terms that provide additional protection to other members of the community upstream and downstream from Red Hat is a positive contribution to the resources for community patent defense. We would hope to see more settlements of this kind--in which parties secure more than their own particular legal advantage in relation to the third-party patent risk of the whole FOSS community--when commercial redistributors of FOSS choose to settle patent litigation. SFLC welcomes Red Hat&#039;s efforts on the community&#039;s behalf.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>don&#8217;t take my word for it &#8230; see that Eben Moglen and Groklaw have to say:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20080611191302741" rel="nofollow">http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20080611191302741</a></p>
<p>Specifically from Moglen:</p>
<p>&#8220;Red Hat&#8217;s settlement of outstanding patent litigation on terms that provide additional protection to other members of the community upstream and downstream from Red Hat is a positive contribution to the resources for community patent defense. We would hope to see more settlements of this kind&#8211;in which parties secure more than their own particular legal advantage in relation to the third-party patent risk of the whole FOSS community&#8211;when commercial redistributors of FOSS choose to settle patent litigation. SFLC welcomes Red Hat&#8217;s efforts on the community&#8217;s behalf.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Johnny Hughes</title>
		<link>http://www.thevarguy.com/2008/06/10/should-novell-invade-red-hat-summit/comment-page-1/#comment-71059</link>
		<dc:creator>Johnny Hughes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 02:02:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The RedHat deal is not at all the same for the following reasons:

1. Red Hat settled a patent lawsuit against them they did not do an agreement between companies without being sued.

2. From the agreement &quot;derivative works of or combination products using covered products are protected from any patent claim based in any respect on the covered products.&quot;

That does NOT only cover Red Hat customers, but anyone else using the code IAW the terms of the open source license.

3. They stipulated that RHEL was &quot;NOT INFRINGING&quot; ... so they did not say that they needed patent protection or stipulate that the patent was infringed.  Instead, the got that patent taken off the table for the open source community in relation to this code.

Not at all the same thing, not even close</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The RedHat deal is not at all the same for the following reasons:</p>
<p>1. Red Hat settled a patent lawsuit against them they did not do an agreement between companies without being sued.</p>
<p>2. From the agreement &#8220;derivative works of or combination products using covered products are protected from any patent claim based in any respect on the covered products.&#8221;</p>
<p>That does NOT only cover Red Hat customers, but anyone else using the code IAW the terms of the open source license.</p>
<p>3. They stipulated that RHEL was &#8220;NOT INFRINGING&#8221; &#8230; so they did not say that they needed patent protection or stipulate that the patent was infringed.  Instead, the got that patent taken off the table for the open source community in relation to this code.</p>
<p>Not at all the same thing, not even close</p>
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		<title>By: Jay</title>
		<link>http://www.thevarguy.com/2008/06/10/should-novell-invade-red-hat-summit/comment-page-1/#comment-71017</link>
		<dc:creator>Jay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 21:11:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually with Novell trying to make Linux point and click so Windows admins can use it (That was actually told to me by a very high ranking Novell executive a short time ago) it should be interesting times ahead.

I personally can&#039;t stand Yast and try to nuke all installs of SLES at work here as soon as possible (except where SLES is required) after sucking off and moving the apps to Red Hat or CentOS.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually with Novell trying to make Linux point and click so Windows admins can use it (That was actually told to me by a very high ranking Novell executive a short time ago) it should be interesting times ahead.</p>
<p>I personally can&#8217;t stand Yast and try to nuke all installs of SLES at work here as soon as possible (except where SLES is required) after sucking off and moving the apps to Red Hat or CentOS.</p>
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		<title>By: ewriter</title>
		<link>http://www.thevarguy.com/2008/06/10/should-novell-invade-red-hat-summit/comment-page-1/#comment-71011</link>
		<dc:creator>ewriter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 20:40:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Enough with the whining about patent deals already. For all intents and purposes the way Red Hat just settled their JBoss related patent suit did all the same things as Novell and Microsoft just not with Microsoft. 

If these kinds of things are shady, secret or otherwise evil is up for debate but Novell isn&#039;t the only one doing them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Enough with the whining about patent deals already. For all intents and purposes the way Red Hat just settled their JBoss related patent suit did all the same things as Novell and Microsoft just not with Microsoft. </p>
<p>If these kinds of things are shady, secret or otherwise evil is up for debate but Novell isn&#8217;t the only one doing them.</p>
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		<title>By: Johnny Hughes</title>
		<link>http://www.thevarguy.com/2008/06/10/should-novell-invade-red-hat-summit/comment-page-1/#comment-70957</link>
		<dc:creator>Johnny Hughes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 14:47:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How about they just build a better version of Linux than Red Hat and stop signing patent deals with Microsoft.

Maybe they could put their Enterprise SRPMS on a public website to.

Then, maybe, open source enthusiasts would get on their side.

Once that happens, their product will be recommended / installed by those open source enthusiasts.

Then their market share will increase.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How about they just build a better version of Linux than Red Hat and stop signing patent deals with Microsoft.</p>
<p>Maybe they could put their Enterprise SRPMS on a public website to.</p>
<p>Then, maybe, open source enthusiasts would get on their side.</p>
<p>Once that happens, their product will be recommended / installed by those open source enthusiasts.</p>
<p>Then their market share will increase.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Panettieri</title>
		<link>http://www.thevarguy.com/2008/06/10/should-novell-invade-red-hat-summit/comment-page-1/#comment-70955</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe Panettieri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 12:53:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Novell is no longer headquartered in Salt Lake; the company is now based in Mass.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Novell is no longer headquartered in Salt Lake; the company is now based in Mass.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
		<link>http://www.thevarguy.com/2008/06/10/should-novell-invade-red-hat-summit/comment-page-1/#comment-70952</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 12:30:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What on earth are you talking about?  Redhat has an office in Boston.  Lots of companies do - it&#039;s not a small place.  It&#039;s not like Redhat are going to salt lake city for their event.

Any open saucer worth their salt would be avoiding Novell and their shady and secret dealings with MS anyway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What on earth are you talking about?  Redhat has an office in Boston.  Lots of companies do &#8211; it&#8217;s not a small place.  It&#8217;s not like Redhat are going to salt lake city for their event.</p>
<p>Any open saucer worth their salt would be avoiding Novell and their shady and secret dealings with MS anyway.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim F</title>
		<link>http://www.thevarguy.com/2008/06/10/should-novell-invade-red-hat-summit/comment-page-1/#comment-70835</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim F</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jun 2008 19:17:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Time for novell to throw down the gauntlet and come out swinging, to mix a few metaphors. Novell should market to everyone at the red hat conference, as you&#039;ve suggested.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Time for novell to throw down the gauntlet and come out swinging, to mix a few metaphors. Novell should market to everyone at the red hat conference, as you&#8217;ve suggested.</p>
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