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	<title>Comments on: Linux Laptops: The Ultimate Birthday Present?</title>
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		<title>By: nitrofurano</title>
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		<dc:creator>nitrofurano</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 May 2009 20:02:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it&#039;s a good idea he getting familiar with Ubuntu-Linux - in a short time he will realise how useless ms-windows is, as fine i realised (it&#039;s not bashing, it&#039;s only my humble personal oppinion)

The idea of only using open-source applications on ms-windows is good as well - it helped on me as well - it helps a very faster and easier migration.

The main idea about people seems to concern about the migration is the tipical &#039;why must i learn everything again&#039; (not properly the case, since Ubuntu 9.04 is much more easier to use than Vista or windows-7, my humble oppinion again), when the most important is to learn generally how an operating system and usual applications works in common, helping being more open to changes when they happens.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it&#8217;s a good idea he getting familiar with Ubuntu-Linux &#8211; in a short time he will realise how useless ms-windows is, as fine i realised (it&#8217;s not bashing, it&#8217;s only my humble personal oppinion)</p>
<p>The idea of only using open-source applications on ms-windows is good as well &#8211; it helped on me as well &#8211; it helps a very faster and easier migration.</p>
<p>The main idea about people seems to concern about the migration is the tipical &#8216;why must i learn everything again&#8217; (not properly the case, since Ubuntu 9.04 is much more easier to use than Vista or windows-7, my humble oppinion again), when the most important is to learn generally how an operating system and usual applications works in common, helping being more open to changes when they happens.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 11:54:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A bit late, just read this thread with lots of interest.

I use Ubuntu for about 18 months on my home computer. Prime reason: I got totally fed up with anti-virus apps eating up all CPU cycles, and how much time it took to boot and shut down. For fun I installed Ubuntu on a 1GHz P-III PC with 256MB RAM, and it ran like a charm. boot up in 30 seconds, everything works, performance acceptable, and shuts down again in 10 seconds. That, and the fact that everything looks &amp; feels like Windows was enough to get us going.

The big kicker for me: because of Ubuntu&#039;s excellent performance you can settle for really cheap simple computers. And admin hassle on PCs is minimal; when it works, it works.

What I had to do to make it acceptable to the family:

- install Netscape Thunderbird for email, and convert all Outlook archives. Took an hour, but pretty straightforward.
- install Wine for those few apps you like and have no alternative for (my kids use it for playing games)
- install ODF import- &amp; export modules (you can download for free from the Sun website) for those who wish to stick to Office. That way both sides can accept each other&#039;s files.

And typically Ubuntu is a bit behind on what you are used to on Windows apps - just be patient. A solution always comes around. To the average user this is no issue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A bit late, just read this thread with lots of interest.</p>
<p>I use Ubuntu for about 18 months on my home computer. Prime reason: I got totally fed up with anti-virus apps eating up all CPU cycles, and how much time it took to boot and shut down. For fun I installed Ubuntu on a 1GHz P-III PC with 256MB RAM, and it ran like a charm. boot up in 30 seconds, everything works, performance acceptable, and shuts down again in 10 seconds. That, and the fact that everything looks &amp; feels like Windows was enough to get us going.</p>
<p>The big kicker for me: because of Ubuntu&#8217;s excellent performance you can settle for really cheap simple computers. And admin hassle on PCs is minimal; when it works, it works.</p>
<p>What I had to do to make it acceptable to the family:</p>
<p>- install Netscape Thunderbird for email, and convert all Outlook archives. Took an hour, but pretty straightforward.<br />
- install Wine for those few apps you like and have no alternative for (my kids use it for playing games)<br />
- install ODF import- &amp; export modules (you can download for free from the Sun website) for those who wish to stick to Office. That way both sides can accept each other&#8217;s files.</p>
<p>And typically Ubuntu is a bit behind on what you are used to on Windows apps &#8211; just be patient. A solution always comes around. To the average user this is no issue.</p>
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		<title>By: manny</title>
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		<dc:creator>manny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2008 09:25:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>also, many of the IM&#039;s have a port: Emesene, amsn, pidgin, etc.

Use an ubuntu theme (no harm done it&#039;s only a theme), that&#039;s what i set up my brother with and he had no problem with it. he was also a bit tire of the default vista.

get em here:
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=856096</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>also, many of the IM&#8217;s have a port: Emesene, amsn, pidgin, etc.</p>
<p>Use an ubuntu theme (no harm done it&#8217;s only a theme), that&#8217;s what i set up my brother with and he had no problem with it. he was also a bit tire of the default vista.</p>
<p>get em here:<br />
<a href="http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=856096" rel="nofollow">http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=856096</a></p>
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		<title>By: Joe Panettieri</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe Panettieri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2008 05:06:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@A.Y. Siu: I completely agree. I plan to push OpenOffice and FireFox and two must-haves for my niece.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@A.Y. Siu: I completely agree. I plan to push OpenOffice and FireFox and two must-haves for my niece.</p>
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		<title>By: A.Y. Siu</title>
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		<dc:creator>A.Y. Siu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2008 02:10:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If he sticks with Vista, you can still have him start using open source Windows applications like OpenOffice, GIMP, Firefox, etc. That&#039;ll make his eventual transition to Linux later easier.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If he sticks with Vista, you can still have him start using open source Windows applications like OpenOffice, GIMP, Firefox, etc. That&#8217;ll make his eventual transition to Linux later easier.</p>
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		<title>By: Al Hood</title>
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		<dc:creator>Al Hood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jun 2008 10:14:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I purchased a System76 Darter for my parents (age 69 and 73), who are not computer literate but wanted a computer for web surfing, email, simple word processing. Although the system wasn&#039;t cheaper than a Windows based PC, the hardware components were top notch (ASUS motherboard, solid casing, etc.). I recommended a Dell linux machine (Inspiron 1420n) to a friend and I was more impressed with the System76 build quality than with the Dell unit. I live 1,500 miles from my parents and I simply deliver the machine to them over a quick visit, and it runs without failure.

Note: I am not against a Dell linux machine and would consider purchasing one in the future.

A few weeks ago, I purchased an ASUS eeePC 2G Surf and enjoying this little guy more than I expected and recommend one of the eeePC (4G, 4G Surf, 8G, or 901) depending on how much money wants to spend. With the eeePC 2G Surf I do IM, web browsing (Firefox), email, watch videos, play music, Skype&#039;ing, word processing, spreadsheets, etc. The lightness of this machine is impressive. In a couple of years, I will be purchasing a eeePC, or something similar, when my kids get a few years older.

I am looking forward to Dell&#039;s upcoming Dell E line ($299-$499) that may be released in two or three months.

The reason I recommend linux based systems has nothing to do with price, interface design, etc. For me, the reliability and ease of maintenance (i.e., don&#039;t have to deal with viruses, defragging, spyware) makes my life so easy, I couldn&#039;t think of using anything else. Once the system is setup and does what you want, just use the machine day after day without hassle in my opinion.

Hope this helps.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I purchased a System76 Darter for my parents (age 69 and 73), who are not computer literate but wanted a computer for web surfing, email, simple word processing. Although the system wasn&#8217;t cheaper than a Windows based PC, the hardware components were top notch (ASUS motherboard, solid casing, etc.). I recommended a Dell linux machine (Inspiron 1420n) to a friend and I was more impressed with the System76 build quality than with the Dell unit. I live 1,500 miles from my parents and I simply deliver the machine to them over a quick visit, and it runs without failure.</p>
<p>Note: I am not against a Dell linux machine and would consider purchasing one in the future.</p>
<p>A few weeks ago, I purchased an ASUS eeePC 2G Surf and enjoying this little guy more than I expected and recommend one of the eeePC (4G, 4G Surf, 8G, or 901) depending on how much money wants to spend. With the eeePC 2G Surf I do IM, web browsing (Firefox), email, watch videos, play music, Skype&#8217;ing, word processing, spreadsheets, etc. The lightness of this machine is impressive. In a couple of years, I will be purchasing a eeePC, or something similar, when my kids get a few years older.</p>
<p>I am looking forward to Dell&#8217;s upcoming Dell E line ($299-$499) that may be released in two or three months.</p>
<p>The reason I recommend linux based systems has nothing to do with price, interface design, etc. For me, the reliability and ease of maintenance (i.e., don&#8217;t have to deal with viruses, defragging, spyware) makes my life so easy, I couldn&#8217;t think of using anything else. Once the system is setup and does what you want, just use the machine day after day without hassle in my opinion.</p>
<p>Hope this helps.</p>
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		<title>By: tripleii</title>
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		<dc:creator>tripleii</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jun 2008 04:57:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I say show him the new MSI Wind coming up, and or the new Acer Mini One.  1/2 the price of the Vista notebook, excellent wifi, OO, skype, they are configured for multimedia, etc.  The one thing you didn&#039;t mention.  Why type of MP3 player does she have.  iPod (and DRMed iTunes content), Zune or subscription based?  If none, make sure to recommend SanDisk.

TripleII</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I say show him the new MSI Wind coming up, and or the new Acer Mini One.  1/2 the price of the Vista notebook, excellent wifi, OO, skype, they are configured for multimedia, etc.  The one thing you didn&#8217;t mention.  Why type of MP3 player does she have.  iPod (and DRMed iTunes content), Zune or subscription based?  If none, make sure to recommend SanDisk.</p>
<p>TripleII</p>
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		<title>By: JHardinger</title>
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		<dc:creator>JHardinger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 21:15:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If it&#039;s for a 13 year old girl the answer is fairly simple (unfortunately) and that&#039;s the answer to the question:

&quot;Does it run The Sims?&quot;

I find Windows laughable compared to Linux in most cases but I was in that exact situation a few months ago and that was the one request (or rather demand) she had.

So no matter how stupid I felt buying a Dell/Vista machine did I really have a choice?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If it&#8217;s for a 13 year old girl the answer is fairly simple (unfortunately) and that&#8217;s the answer to the question:</p>
<p>&#8220;Does it run The Sims?&#8221;</p>
<p>I find Windows laughable compared to Linux in most cases but I was in that exact situation a few months ago and that was the one request (or rather demand) she had.</p>
<p>So no matter how stupid I felt buying a Dell/Vista machine did I really have a choice?</p>
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		<title>By: Monty</title>
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		<dc:creator>Monty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 17:28:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just took delivery of a refurb Dell Latitude D410, has a 12.1&quot; screen, 1.6 Ghz Pentium M, 512 MB Ram, 40 GB hard drive, Intel chipset wireless and Windows XP Pro.  Price was $365 from Dell Financial Services, condition was near perfect, battery life is around 3 hrs in performance mode and so far with just anti-virus and Firefox added to the base XP install it flat out flys.  Would be perfect for a 13 yr old girl.  Think the weight is just under 4 lbs.  From what I understand this one is very Linux friendly and I&#039;ll either dual boot Mint or PCLinuxOS in a week or so after I am certainly the machine doesn&#039;t have any issues.  As of last night they had a few of the D410s for &lt;$300 without OS and that would have been my choice has it been available when I bought my XP one.  Highly recommended!  Can read about it more at my blog, http://montysreality.blogspot.com

Monty</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just took delivery of a refurb Dell Latitude D410, has a 12.1&#8243; screen, 1.6 Ghz Pentium M, 512 MB Ram, 40 GB hard drive, Intel chipset wireless and Windows XP Pro.  Price was $365 from Dell Financial Services, condition was near perfect, battery life is around 3 hrs in performance mode and so far with just anti-virus and Firefox added to the base XP install it flat out flys.  Would be perfect for a 13 yr old girl.  Think the weight is just under 4 lbs.  From what I understand this one is very Linux friendly and I&#8217;ll either dual boot Mint or PCLinuxOS in a week or so after I am certainly the machine doesn&#8217;t have any issues.  As of last night they had a few of the D410s for &lt;$300 without OS and that would have been my choice has it been available when I bought my XP one.  Highly recommended!  Can read about it more at my blog, <a href="http://montysreality.blogspot.com" rel="nofollow">http://montysreality.blogspot.com</a></p>
<p>Monty</p>
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		<title>By: Peter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 17:05:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>He won&#039;t go wrong with a Thinkpad (even if he does with Vista!), they&#039;re built like tanks!

There&#039;s a whole website dedicated to running Linux on Thinkpads:
http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/ThinkWiki

(should you ever need to &quot;upgrade&quot; the OS)  Just kidding, Thinkpads have an amazing &quot;blue button&quot; that will allow you to restore the installed OS from an image on HDD. The only problems I can forsee, are the crudding up of the system with spyware and viruses (and the sluggishness, due to the anti-virus programs -- our IT department recommends AVG, by the way)

Hope she likes it, and remember that website!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He won&#8217;t go wrong with a Thinkpad (even if he does with Vista!), they&#8217;re built like tanks!</p>
<p>There&#8217;s a whole website dedicated to running Linux on Thinkpads:<br />
<a href="http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/ThinkWiki" rel="nofollow">http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/ThinkWiki</a></p>
<p>(should you ever need to &#8220;upgrade&#8221; the OS)  Just kidding, Thinkpads have an amazing &#8220;blue button&#8221; that will allow you to restore the installed OS from an image on HDD. The only problems I can forsee, are the crudding up of the system with spyware and viruses (and the sluggishness, due to the anti-virus programs &#8212; our IT department recommends AVG, by the way)</p>
<p>Hope she likes it, and remember that website!</p>
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		<title>By: G Fernandes</title>
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		<dc:creator>G Fernandes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 14:29:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[QUOTE]I am not sure if the Lenovo thinkpad is Linux compatible[/QUOTE]

These days, all you need to do to ensure a laptop is GNU/Linux compatible is check that it&#039;s an Intel chipset with on-board Intel graphics.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[QUOTE]I am not sure if the Lenovo thinkpad is Linux compatible[/QUOTE]</p>
<p>These days, all you need to do to ensure a laptop is GNU/Linux compatible is check that it&#8217;s an Intel chipset with on-board Intel graphics.</p>
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		<title>By: उन्मुक्त</title>
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		<dc:creator>उन्मुक्त</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 13:39:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In case your brother in law is not satisfied with Windows then Linux may not work unless it is Linux compatible. I am not sure if the Lenovo thinkpad is Linux compatible. However rest of the open source programme OpenOffice, Firefox, GIMP, Audacity, VLC Media/ Mplayer should work fine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In case your brother in law is not satisfied with Windows then Linux may not work unless it is Linux compatible. I am not sure if the Lenovo thinkpad is Linux compatible. However rest of the open source programme OpenOffice, Firefox, GIMP, Audacity, VLC Media/ Mplayer should work fine.</p>
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