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		<title>By: Scott Bicknell</title>
		<link>http://www.thevarguy.com/2008/07/07/who-will-win-as-linux-market-consolidates/comment-page-1/#comment-74317</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott Bicknell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2008 09:09:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The problem with the car analogy is each one takes a different formulation of ‘gas’, and so you need as many ‘gas stations’ as ‘automatkers’. It’s not terribly efficient.&quot;

I&#039;ve never owned a vehicle and had to get gas from a particular oil company. What are you talking about? For that matter, I&#039;ve never run a Linux distribution and had to get all my software from its repositories, but if I were to follow your version of the analogy, I would have to get my distribution (my car) from one source and my applications (my gas) from another. Hmmm... come to think of it, that is pretty much what it is like in the Windows world.

&quot;The problem with multiple Linux distros is that Linux is a *platform* to run other software on. As such, it needs to be standardized enough for it to be easy for that software to target the platform. Why is that so hard to accept?&quot;

Who has a hard time accepting that? (Microsoft, perhaps?) Software written for the POSIX standards is easier to port from one unix variant to another, including to different Linux distributions, than porting software written for one version of Windows to another version of Windows. There are no standards in Windows that software developers can count on to remain from version to version. Changing programming APIs is one way Microsoft ensures that users upgrade to new versions of Windows and that ISVs write programs that work only on newer versions. That&#039;s one reason software developers like to write for unix. And it is also one reason why developing software for Windows is so costly.

&quot;Do you think ISV’s explicitly do *not* want to make Linux versions of Quicken, Photoshop, etc? They can’t - plain and simple. Oh, they *could* alright, but not cost-effectively.&quot;

Why not?

&quot;Perversely, the whole idea that an Operating System consists of such a ‘complete’ set of software was introduced by Microsoft.&quot;

Who told you that? When have you ever seen a Windows operating system that included all necessary applications in the box. It doesn&#039;t exist. That honor doesn&#039;t even belong to Linux, though Linux distributions have expanded that idea to &quot;perverse&quot; proportions.

&quot;Open Source allows Linux distros to similarly provide ‘all the necessary software’, because they have access to tons of application source code. And that model works great, to the extent that it works. But venture beyond that model, and it doesn’t work at all.&quot;

What does it mean to &quot;venture beyond that model&quot;? Describe what you see beyond it and how it &quot;doesn&#039;t work at all&quot;.

Okay, so, the car analogy doesn&#039;t work because there must be as many gas stations as there are manufacturers, which, of course, blows the whole customer choice point right out of the water; the problem with Linux is that it needs to be standardized, and the fact that there are hundreds of Linux distributions all derived from the same code base means, of course, that there is no standard; Microsoft invented the concept of operating systems that consist of all necessary software, which, of course, means that Linux is simply following Microsoft&#039;s lead in supplying all necessary applications in the box; and ISV&#039;s can&#039;t port their software to Linux, because they don&#039;t have the financial resources, so, naturally, Linux is bad--Windows is good.

...And this has what to do with consolidating Linux distributions and how too many choices will send consumers running in fear back into the safe arms of Microsoft?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The problem with the car analogy is each one takes a different formulation of ‘gas’, and so you need as many ‘gas stations’ as ‘automatkers’. It’s not terribly efficient.&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve never owned a vehicle and had to get gas from a particular oil company. What are you talking about? For that matter, I&#8217;ve never run a Linux distribution and had to get all my software from its repositories, but if I were to follow your version of the analogy, I would have to get my distribution (my car) from one source and my applications (my gas) from another. Hmmm&#8230; come to think of it, that is pretty much what it is like in the Windows world.</p>
<p>&#8220;The problem with multiple Linux distros is that Linux is a *platform* to run other software on. As such, it needs to be standardized enough for it to be easy for that software to target the platform. Why is that so hard to accept?&#8221;</p>
<p>Who has a hard time accepting that? (Microsoft, perhaps?) Software written for the POSIX standards is easier to port from one unix variant to another, including to different Linux distributions, than porting software written for one version of Windows to another version of Windows. There are no standards in Windows that software developers can count on to remain from version to version. Changing programming APIs is one way Microsoft ensures that users upgrade to new versions of Windows and that ISVs write programs that work only on newer versions. That&#8217;s one reason software developers like to write for unix. And it is also one reason why developing software for Windows is so costly.</p>
<p>&#8220;Do you think ISV’s explicitly do *not* want to make Linux versions of Quicken, Photoshop, etc? They can’t &#8211; plain and simple. Oh, they *could* alright, but not cost-effectively.&#8221;</p>
<p>Why not?</p>
<p>&#8220;Perversely, the whole idea that an Operating System consists of such a ‘complete’ set of software was introduced by Microsoft.&#8221;</p>
<p>Who told you that? When have you ever seen a Windows operating system that included all necessary applications in the box. It doesn&#8217;t exist. That honor doesn&#8217;t even belong to Linux, though Linux distributions have expanded that idea to &#8220;perverse&#8221; proportions.</p>
<p>&#8220;Open Source allows Linux distros to similarly provide ‘all the necessary software’, because they have access to tons of application source code. And that model works great, to the extent that it works. But venture beyond that model, and it doesn’t work at all.&#8221;</p>
<p>What does it mean to &#8220;venture beyond that model&#8221;? Describe what you see beyond it and how it &#8220;doesn&#8217;t work at all&#8221;.</p>
<p>Okay, so, the car analogy doesn&#8217;t work because there must be as many gas stations as there are manufacturers, which, of course, blows the whole customer choice point right out of the water; the problem with Linux is that it needs to be standardized, and the fact that there are hundreds of Linux distributions all derived from the same code base means, of course, that there is no standard; Microsoft invented the concept of operating systems that consist of all necessary software, which, of course, means that Linux is simply following Microsoft&#8217;s lead in supplying all necessary applications in the box; and ISV&#8217;s can&#8217;t port their software to Linux, because they don&#8217;t have the financial resources, so, naturally, Linux is bad&#8211;Windows is good.</p>
<p>&#8230;And this has what to do with consolidating Linux distributions and how too many choices will send consumers running in fear back into the safe arms of Microsoft?</p>
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		<title>By: littlenoodles</title>
		<link>http://www.thevarguy.com/2008/07/07/who-will-win-as-linux-market-consolidates/comment-page-1/#comment-74160</link>
		<dc:creator>littlenoodles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jul 2008 18:53:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The problem with the car analogy is each one takes a different formulation of &#039;gas&#039;, and so you need as many &#039;gas stations&#039; as &#039;automatkers&#039;.  It&#039;s not terribly efficient.

The problem with multiple Linux distros is that Linux is a *platform* to run other software on.  As such, it needs to be standardized enough for it to be easy for that software to target the platform.  Why is that so hard to accept?

Most linux users don&#039;t venture far beyond their distro&#039;s repositories.  That is, they don&#039;t use any software that isn&#039;t supplied as a part of the platform.  Perversely, the whole idea that an Operating System consists of such a &#039;complete&#039; set of software was introduced by Microsoft.  Open Source allows Linux distros to similarly provide &#039;all the necessary software&#039;, because they have access to tons of application source code.  And that model works great, to the extent that it works.  But venture beyond that model, and it doesn&#039;t work at all.

Do you think ISV&#039;s explicitly do *not* want to make Linux versions of Quicken, Photoshop, etc?  They can&#039;t - plain and simple.  Oh, they *could* alright, but not cost-effectively.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem with the car analogy is each one takes a different formulation of &#8216;gas&#8217;, and so you need as many &#8216;gas stations&#8217; as &#8216;automatkers&#8217;.  It&#8217;s not terribly efficient.</p>
<p>The problem with multiple Linux distros is that Linux is a *platform* to run other software on.  As such, it needs to be standardized enough for it to be easy for that software to target the platform.  Why is that so hard to accept?</p>
<p>Most linux users don&#8217;t venture far beyond their distro&#8217;s repositories.  That is, they don&#8217;t use any software that isn&#8217;t supplied as a part of the platform.  Perversely, the whole idea that an Operating System consists of such a &#8216;complete&#8217; set of software was introduced by Microsoft.  Open Source allows Linux distros to similarly provide &#8216;all the necessary software&#8217;, because they have access to tons of application source code.  And that model works great, to the extent that it works.  But venture beyond that model, and it doesn&#8217;t work at all.</p>
<p>Do you think ISV&#8217;s explicitly do *not* want to make Linux versions of Quicken, Photoshop, etc?  They can&#8217;t &#8211; plain and simple.  Oh, they *could* alright, but not cost-effectively.</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick Regan</title>
		<link>http://www.thevarguy.com/2008/07/07/who-will-win-as-linux-market-consolidates/comment-page-1/#comment-74159</link>
		<dc:creator>Patrick Regan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jul 2008 18:23:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeni&#039;s &quot;website&quot; is a joke people.  Please do not take it seriously.  It&#039;s a full blown satire site.  It&#039;s not real, it never was intended to be real.  Read the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.promotinglinux.com/faq/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;FAQ&lt;/a&gt; if you don&#039;t believe me.

Pat</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeni&#8217;s &#8220;website&#8221; is a joke people.  Please do not take it seriously.  It&#8217;s a full blown satire site.  It&#8217;s not real, it never was intended to be real.  Read the <a href="http://www.promotinglinux.com/faq/" rel="nofollow">FAQ</a> if you don&#8217;t believe me.</p>
<p>Pat</p>
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		<title>By: Nelson Álvarez</title>
		<link>http://www.thevarguy.com/2008/07/07/who-will-win-as-linux-market-consolidates/comment-page-1/#comment-74158</link>
		<dc:creator>Nelson Álvarez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jul 2008 18:18:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeni said: &quot;I support Linux 100% but I feel that people should make an objective decision for themselves after reading The Truth about Linux&quot;.

Dear Jeni

Thanks for the link to that page. I removed Vista from my hard disk as soon as I bought my laptop, and kept running XP on a virtual machine, just in case, but now I&#039;m determined to delete the virtual machine, too. And if I ever think that I can draw an objective conclusion after reading such crap, please, shoot me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeni said: &#8220;I support Linux 100% but I feel that people should make an objective decision for themselves after reading The Truth about Linux&#8221;.</p>
<p>Dear Jeni</p>
<p>Thanks for the link to that page. I removed Vista from my hard disk as soon as I bought my laptop, and kept running XP on a virtual machine, just in case, but now I&#8217;m determined to delete the virtual machine, too. And if I ever think that I can draw an objective conclusion after reading such crap, please, shoot me.</p>
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		<title>By: MA</title>
		<link>http://www.thevarguy.com/2008/07/07/who-will-win-as-linux-market-consolidates/comment-page-1/#comment-74125</link>
		<dc:creator>MA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jul 2008 11:25:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Most consumers walking down Main Street USA have never heard of Red Hat — and even fewer know about Novell and Ubuntu.&quot;

Most likely that statement is quite wrong with regard Red Hat being more familiar than Ubuntu: http://www.google.com/trends?q=red+hat%2C+ubuntu%2C+linux%2C+novell&amp;ctab=0&amp;geo=all&amp;date=all&amp;sort=0

The reality appears to be that Ubuntu is becoming synonymous with &#039;Linux&#039; in consumer minds.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Most consumers walking down Main Street USA have never heard of Red Hat — and even fewer know about Novell and Ubuntu.&#8221;</p>
<p>Most likely that statement is quite wrong with regard Red Hat being more familiar than Ubuntu: <a href="http://www.google.com/trends?q=red+hat%2C+ubuntu%2C+linux%2C+novell&amp;ctab=0&amp;geo=all&amp;date=all&amp;sort=0" rel="nofollow">http://www.google.com/trends?q=red+hat%2C+ubuntu%2C+linux%2C+novell&amp;ctab=0&amp;geo=all&amp;date=all&amp;sort=0</a></p>
<p>The reality appears to be that Ubuntu is becoming synonymous with &#8216;Linux&#8217; in consumer minds.</p>
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		<title>By: Ron Nielsen</title>
		<link>http://www.thevarguy.com/2008/07/07/who-will-win-as-linux-market-consolidates/comment-page-1/#comment-74124</link>
		<dc:creator>Ron Nielsen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jul 2008 11:16:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Um, Linspire will still be here. The following quote:

Xandros will continue to offer downloads through the digital software distribution warehouse for a variety of Linux platforms, including Freespire, which will continue to be maintained as an open source Latest News about open source project, the company said.

Pending further planning, both product lines will be maintained, said Typaldos.

http://www.linuxinsider.com/story/63657.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Um, Linspire will still be here. The following quote:</p>
<p>Xandros will continue to offer downloads through the digital software distribution warehouse for a variety of Linux platforms, including Freespire, which will continue to be maintained as an open source Latest News about open source project, the company said.</p>
<p>Pending further planning, both product lines will be maintained, said Typaldos.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.linuxinsider.com/story/63657.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.linuxinsider.com/story/63657.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Robert Pogson</title>
		<link>http://www.thevarguy.com/2008/07/07/who-will-win-as-linux-market-consolidates/comment-page-1/#comment-74120</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Pogson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jul 2008 09:55:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Most people will be picking a distro by buying a PC with a distro installed, any distro. They will be attracted by ads. They will be comforted by a test drive and take the thing home. Look at the new low-end PCs. Strange, little-known distros are going out the door in the millions with no hesitation. The distro is less important than the usability in-store and a bit of marketing hype. Picking a distro and installing it is for geeks and we are a small minority. How many non-geeks do you know? I know thousands and they have no clue about picking a PC or a distro. They walk into a retail establishment and look on the shelves and displays. Before last year, they usually found that other OS. Now they have a small chance to find GNU/Linux as well. The store may call it something else so the buyer will not even know it is GNU/Linux.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Most people will be picking a distro by buying a PC with a distro installed, any distro. They will be attracted by ads. They will be comforted by a test drive and take the thing home. Look at the new low-end PCs. Strange, little-known distros are going out the door in the millions with no hesitation. The distro is less important than the usability in-store and a bit of marketing hype. Picking a distro and installing it is for geeks and we are a small minority. How many non-geeks do you know? I know thousands and they have no clue about picking a PC or a distro. They walk into a retail establishment and look on the shelves and displays. Before last year, they usually found that other OS. Now they have a small chance to find GNU/Linux as well. The store may call it something else so the buyer will not even know it is GNU/Linux.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob</title>
		<link>http://www.thevarguy.com/2008/07/07/who-will-win-as-linux-market-consolidates/comment-page-1/#comment-74119</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jul 2008 09:08:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeni, the truth is the very same accusations leveled against linux in that article are the very things that ms has done themselves, repeatedly! &quot;Strong Arm&quot; tactics is not the best business model and is certainly not the best for competition.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeni, the truth is the very same accusations leveled against linux in that article are the very things that ms has done themselves, repeatedly! &#8220;Strong Arm&#8221; tactics is not the best business model and is certainly not the best for competition.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://www.thevarguy.com/2008/07/07/who-will-win-as-linux-market-consolidates/comment-page-1/#comment-74114</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jul 2008 06:33:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeni said, &quot;What I think most people fail to understand is&quot;.

Try not to &quot;think&quot; too much Jeni, it&#039;s obviously not a strong point for you if you believe &quot;The truth about Linux&quot; article.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeni said, &#8220;What I think most people fail to understand is&#8221;.</p>
<p>Try not to &#8220;think&#8221; too much Jeni, it&#8217;s obviously not a strong point for you if you believe &#8220;The truth about Linux&#8221; article.</p>
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		<title>By: david</title>
		<link>http://www.thevarguy.com/2008/07/07/who-will-win-as-linux-market-consolidates/comment-page-1/#comment-74113</link>
		<dc:creator>david</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jul 2008 05:10:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeni=troll+troll+troll, no apologies about the &quot;un-objectivity&quot; but did you get paid to post your reply? Im getting tires of seeing these types of troll posts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeni=troll+troll+troll, no apologies about the &#8220;un-objectivity&#8221; but did you get paid to post your reply? Im getting tires of seeing these types of troll posts.</p>
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		<title>By: Don</title>
		<link>http://www.thevarguy.com/2008/07/07/who-will-win-as-linux-market-consolidates/comment-page-1/#comment-74055</link>
		<dc:creator>Don</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2008 20:12:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Jeni:

Perhaps Microsoft will also sponsor you on a trip to Hungary to lecture them about your happy views on the benefits associated with being locked into the Microsoft proprietary environment.  Don&#039;t forget to hand out lots of eggs (Hungarians LOVE eggs)!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Jeni:</p>
<p>Perhaps Microsoft will also sponsor you on a trip to Hungary to lecture them about your happy views on the benefits associated with being locked into the Microsoft proprietary environment.  Don&#8217;t forget to hand out lots of eggs (Hungarians LOVE eggs)!</p>
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		<title>By: Jeni</title>
		<link>http://www.thevarguy.com/2008/07/07/who-will-win-as-linux-market-consolidates/comment-page-1/#comment-74054</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeni</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2008 19:49:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What I think most people fail to understand is that &quot;Free&quot; is not a feature that businesses look for. They look at TCO studies, productivity charts, integration paths.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What I think most people fail to understand is that &#8220;Free&#8221; is not a feature that businesses look for. They look at TCO studies, productivity charts, integration paths.</p>
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