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	<title>Comments on: Eight Ways VARs Can Profit From Linux And Open Source</title>
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		<title>By: Bryan Lehr</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bryan Lehr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 23:21:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are VARs doing it successfully, take for example &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.01.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;01.com&lt;/a&gt;, that offers Zimbra hosting, since you mention the hosted, saas model, although they also help orgs to deploy themselves... another VAR that seems to be making $$ from open source is &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.optaros.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Optaros&lt;/a&gt;, the only sugarCRM gold partner in North America.  The key seems to be a dedicated support model... you&#039;re not selling open source per se, you&#039;re selling service, technical acumen, and leveraging open source to do it less expensively...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are VARs doing it successfully, take for example <a href="http://www.01.com" rel="nofollow">01.com</a>, that offers Zimbra hosting, since you mention the hosted, saas model, although they also help orgs to deploy themselves&#8230; another VAR that seems to be making $$ from open source is <a href="http://www.optaros.com" rel="nofollow">Optaros</a>, the only sugarCRM gold partner in North America.  The key seems to be a dedicated support model&#8230; you&#8217;re not selling open source per se, you&#8217;re selling service, technical acumen, and leveraging open source to do it less expensively&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: phil</title>
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		<dc:creator>phil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 22:35:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Regardless of what U&#039;re selling, U have to keep in mind that U&#039;re selling a *solution* to a *problem*, not &#039;open source&#039; or &#039;commercial/proprietary&#039; software.  Do the latter (i.e., forget your customer&#039;s problem), and U&#039;ll find yourself broke.

Using open source is a great way to solve problems, because the licensing is simple, and the overhead can be quite low.  One of the best aspects is that U can get other folks to solve your problems for free; of course, it&#039;s on their schedule, not yours, so take that into account when U&#039;re developing your product.  It also really *really* helps to know what U&#039;re selling; it&#039;s best if U&#039;ve actually used the product.  And if U&#039;re not a programmer, it doesn&#039;t hurt to get in contact with somebody who can muddle around in the code a bit; check out sourceware.org, which can hook U up with one.

About the only thing that&#039;s truly different when U&#039;re selling an open-source product is that it&#039;s more friendly to the little guy - so long as U&#039;re not afraid to get your hands dirty.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regardless of what U&#8217;re selling, U have to keep in mind that U&#8217;re selling a *solution* to a *problem*, not &#8216;open source&#8217; or &#8216;commercial/proprietary&#8217; software.  Do the latter (i.e., forget your customer&#8217;s problem), and U&#8217;ll find yourself broke.</p>
<p>Using open source is a great way to solve problems, because the licensing is simple, and the overhead can be quite low.  One of the best aspects is that U can get other folks to solve your problems for free; of course, it&#8217;s on their schedule, not yours, so take that into account when U&#8217;re developing your product.  It also really *really* helps to know what U&#8217;re selling; it&#8217;s best if U&#8217;ve actually used the product.  And if U&#8217;re not a programmer, it doesn&#8217;t hurt to get in contact with somebody who can muddle around in the code a bit; check out sourceware.org, which can hook U up with one.</p>
<p>About the only thing that&#8217;s truly different when U&#8217;re selling an open-source product is that it&#8217;s more friendly to the little guy &#8211; so long as U&#8217;re not afraid to get your hands dirty.</p>
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		<title>By: The VAR Guy</title>
		<link>http://www.thevarguy.com/2008/07/30/eight-ways-vars-can-profit-from-linux-and-open-source/comment-page-1/#comment-76607</link>
		<dc:creator>The VAR Guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 22:05:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ian: The VAR Guy completely agrees. In fact, he moderated a range of CIO events focused on Novell SuSE/Oracle solutions. Your thought on Mixed Source is right on. Other examples include a range of open source applications running on Windows Server.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ian: The VAR Guy completely agrees. In fact, he moderated a range of CIO events focused on Novell SuSE/Oracle solutions. Your thought on Mixed Source is right on. Other examples include a range of open source applications running on Windows Server.</p>
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		<title>By: Ian Bruce</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ian Bruce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 21:53:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I appreciate the post is focused on pure open source, but of course most IT environments are a mix of open source and proprietary solutions. You need to think about these &quot;mixed source&quot; environments.

For example, there&#039;s plenty of opportunities around selling (and implementing and supporting) traditional proprietary applications on Linux - while giving customers many of the same benefits around TCO, security, flexibility and vendor independence usually associated with all open source solutions. Open source does not have to be an all or nothing proposition - for most customers the pragmatic solution is a mixed source solution.  You can mix and match open source &amp; proprietary applications with open source &amp; proprietary OS&#039;s.  There&#039;s plenty of market opportunity for VARs around mixed source solution stacks and plenty of benefit to your customers as well.

Thanks for the post! -- Ian Bruce/Novell.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I appreciate the post is focused on pure open source, but of course most IT environments are a mix of open source and proprietary solutions. You need to think about these &#8220;mixed source&#8221; environments.</p>
<p>For example, there&#8217;s plenty of opportunities around selling (and implementing and supporting) traditional proprietary applications on Linux &#8211; while giving customers many of the same benefits around TCO, security, flexibility and vendor independence usually associated with all open source solutions. Open source does not have to be an all or nothing proposition &#8211; for most customers the pragmatic solution is a mixed source solution.  You can mix and match open source &amp; proprietary applications with open source &amp; proprietary OS&#8217;s.  There&#8217;s plenty of market opportunity for VARs around mixed source solution stacks and plenty of benefit to your customers as well.</p>
<p>Thanks for the post! &#8212; Ian Bruce/Novell.</p>
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		<title>By: TravisV</title>
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		<dc:creator>TravisV</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 19:56:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d be interested to know what percentage of &quot;commercial open source start-ups&quot; are making decent revenue off of their OWN installed base?  Quite a few popular open source project founders seem to have flailed when trying to set up shop as a vendor selling support / subscription packages on top of that open source. 

And those commercial open source start-ups (where the original founder of the open source is active / present) have some obvious advantages over other VARs / solution providers when competing for revenue off that installed base.  Specifically, a lot more leverage &amp; control around things like:  (obviously) feature definition / &quot;core&quot; development; the mailing lists / correspondences with user base (&quot;marketing&quot;); documentation; etc.

VARs / Solution providers on the other hand might have better inroads to revenue (with an open source community) via their experience with IT in specific vertical markets, their experience with other technologies in their customers&#039; environments, existing customers NOT yet using that open source technology.  But they also are going to find that a lot of open source users bristle up pretty quickly when approached by a commercial entity and asked to consider buying anything.

I wonder how many VARs and solution providers are out there waiting on the sidelines for better evidence of revenue opportunities around certain open source technologies they are evaluating.  

Open source offers some tremendous advantages, and it&#039;s a no-brainer why users go for it.  But the idea that a large base of users automatically translates into revenue is the same type of irrational exuberance that was happening around building &quot;communities&quot; in the dotcom bust.  This business of converting open source users into paying customers seems extremely complicated, with few sure fire formulas.  For every RedHat / MySQL - there are many commercial open source startups that do not appear to be heading towards prosperous futures.  Not saying open source is any more dangerous than proprietary for VARs - but certainly different.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d be interested to know what percentage of &#8220;commercial open source start-ups&#8221; are making decent revenue off of their OWN installed base?  Quite a few popular open source project founders seem to have flailed when trying to set up shop as a vendor selling support / subscription packages on top of that open source. </p>
<p>And those commercial open source start-ups (where the original founder of the open source is active / present) have some obvious advantages over other VARs / solution providers when competing for revenue off that installed base.  Specifically, a lot more leverage &amp; control around things like:  (obviously) feature definition / &#8220;core&#8221; development; the mailing lists / correspondences with user base (&#8220;marketing&#8221;); documentation; etc.</p>
<p>VARs / Solution providers on the other hand might have better inroads to revenue (with an open source community) via their experience with IT in specific vertical markets, their experience with other technologies in their customers&#8217; environments, existing customers NOT yet using that open source technology.  But they also are going to find that a lot of open source users bristle up pretty quickly when approached by a commercial entity and asked to consider buying anything.</p>
<p>I wonder how many VARs and solution providers are out there waiting on the sidelines for better evidence of revenue opportunities around certain open source technologies they are evaluating.  </p>
<p>Open source offers some tremendous advantages, and it&#8217;s a no-brainer why users go for it.  But the idea that a large base of users automatically translates into revenue is the same type of irrational exuberance that was happening around building &#8220;communities&#8221; in the dotcom bust.  This business of converting open source users into paying customers seems extremely complicated, with few sure fire formulas.  For every RedHat / MySQL &#8211; there are many commercial open source startups that do not appear to be heading towards prosperous futures.  Not saying open source is any more dangerous than proprietary for VARs &#8211; but certainly different.</p>
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		<title>By: The VAR Guy</title>
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		<dc:creator>The VAR Guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 18:06:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tristan @10: Vyatta? Hmmm. The VAR Guy will need to check that out. But he did recently blog about &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.thevarguy.com/2008/07/17/zmanda-open-source-backup-at-one-tenth-the-price/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Zmanda backup&lt;/a&gt;. So our resident blogger isn&#039;t completely clueless ... just a little.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tristan @10: Vyatta? Hmmm. The VAR Guy will need to check that out. But he did recently blog about <a href="http://www.thevarguy.com/2008/07/17/zmanda-open-source-backup-at-one-tenth-the-price/" rel="nofollow">Zmanda backup</a>. So our resident blogger isn&#8217;t completely clueless &#8230; just a little.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Panettieri</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe Panettieri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 18:04:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sephi: Thanks; link fixed</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sephi: Thanks; link fixed</p>
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		<title>By: Sephi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sephi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 17:54:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your link to SugarCRM is messed up. You linked to a commercial portal (suRgarcrm.com) instead of the real website (sugarcrm.com).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your link to SugarCRM is messed up. You linked to a commercial portal (suRgarcrm.com) instead of the real website (sugarcrm.com).</p>
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		<title>By: Tristan Rhodes</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tristan Rhodes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 17:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>TheVarGuy keeps forgetting about Vyatta! :) Amazing things are happening with the progress of their open source network software.

Other ways to make money include selling Zmanda backup, and Virtual Iron (based on Xen and Suse) as an alternative to VMware ESX.

Tristan</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TheVarGuy keeps forgetting about Vyatta! <img src='http://www.thevarguy.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  Amazing things are happening with the progress of their open source network software.</p>
<p>Other ways to make money include selling Zmanda backup, and Virtual Iron (based on Xen and Suse) as an alternative to VMware ESX.</p>
<p>Tristan</p>
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		<title>By: The VAR Guy</title>
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		<dc:creator>The VAR Guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 16:56:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rambo: &quot;Seeing this in print&quot; -- well, digital print at least! The VAR Guy went green and abandoned true print media products a year or two ago (though he used to be a magazine editor...).

Now, he saves trees by saving paper ... but burns oil by keeping this web site humming along in a data center.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rambo: &#8220;Seeing this in print&#8221; &#8212; well, digital print at least! The VAR Guy went green and abandoned true print media products a year or two ago (though he used to be a magazine editor&#8230;).</p>
<p>Now, he saves trees by saving paper &#8230; but burns oil by keeping this web site humming along in a data center.</p>
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		<title>By: Rambo Tribble</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rambo Tribble</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 16:37:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you, VAR Guy, I hope seeing this in print will help those who have trouble understanding these simple concepts. Unfortunately, I&#039;m not too sure it will. I have offered some of these same explanations to those who ask the question, &quot;But how does anyone make money with Open Source?&quot; Sadly, after offering the expositions, replete with copious examples, the usual response is, &quot;Okay, great. But how does anyone make money with Open Source?&quot; I begin to wonder if a description of counterfeiting techniques wouldn&#039;t be more apropos to settling the question.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you, VAR Guy, I hope seeing this in print will help those who have trouble understanding these simple concepts. Unfortunately, I&#8217;m not too sure it will. I have offered some of these same explanations to those who ask the question, &#8220;But how does anyone make money with Open Source?&#8221; Sadly, after offering the expositions, replete with copious examples, the usual response is, &#8220;Okay, great. But how does anyone make money with Open Source?&#8221; I begin to wonder if a description of counterfeiting techniques wouldn&#8217;t be more apropos to settling the question.</p>
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		<title>By: JP</title>
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		<dc:creator>JP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 15:24:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@the var guy Not representing Novell in those statements. I just see what can work and picked what I know.
Unfortunately, a large number of VARs never get out of the rut the other guy created and continue to sell pieces and parts that they are asked to sell instead of creating value.
Sales pukes look for $$ and if the solution has a &quot;free&quot; moniker they run. The just don&#039;t know what they don&#039;t know and they never will.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@the var guy Not representing Novell in those statements. I just see what can work and picked what I know.<br />
Unfortunately, a large number of VARs never get out of the rut the other guy created and continue to sell pieces and parts that they are asked to sell instead of creating value.<br />
Sales pukes look for $$ and if the solution has a &#8220;free&#8221; moniker they run. The just don&#8217;t know what they don&#8217;t know and they never will.</p>
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