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		<title>By: PR and Marketing for Cisco Channel Partners &#124; The VAR Guy &#171; Social Computing Technology</title>
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		<dc:creator>PR and Marketing for Cisco Channel Partners &#124; The VAR Guy &#171; Social Computing Technology</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: Mike Dubrall</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Dubrall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Feb 2009 16:42:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The truth is that VARs come in all shapes and sizes.  But many of them do struggle with the basics of marketing.  There have been many vendor programs designed to help resellers with this (marketing programs in a box) but few programs have been successful.  The basic assumption by vendors is wrong.  They cannot give resellers the tools and expect them to go and build something they do not understand.  With social media (communities) vendors can be right next to the reseller providing on-line information and guidance.  The research we are doing indicates resellers want help with this.  This is also being discussed in the LinkIn Channels of the Future Group and at http://www.tinyurl.com/azyyas</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The truth is that VARs come in all shapes and sizes.  But many of them do struggle with the basics of marketing.  There have been many vendor programs designed to help resellers with this (marketing programs in a box) but few programs have been successful.  The basic assumption by vendors is wrong.  They cannot give resellers the tools and expect them to go and build something they do not understand.  With social media (communities) vendors can be right next to the reseller providing on-line information and guidance.  The research we are doing indicates resellers want help with this.  This is also being discussed in the LinkIn Channels of the Future Group and at <a href="http://www.tinyurl.com/azyyas" rel="nofollow">http://www.tinyurl.com/azyyas</a></p>
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		<title>By: The VAR Guy</title>
		<link>http://www.thevarguy.com/2009/02/09/pr-and-marketing-tips-for-cisco-channel-partners/comment-page-1/#comment-95722</link>
		<dc:creator>The VAR Guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 20:12:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Axel: When you write that blog send over the URL. The VAR Guy will be sure to drive readers your way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Axel: When you write that blog send over the URL. The VAR Guy will be sure to drive readers your way.</p>
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		<title>By: Axel Schultze</title>
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		<dc:creator>Axel Schultze</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 20:10:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know that there is that MYTH that VARs are techies and they don&#039;t know sales and marketing. And I may be alone with my opinion but I consider it the biggest of all MYTHs in the channel. When I wrote &quot;Channel Excellence&quot; I reflected some of my experience with some 10,000 VARs around the world. And when I worked with VARs during my BlueRoads days, I interacted with sever hundred and as I work on Xeequa I do that too.
That VARs are non sales people is as far from the truth than &quot;Earth is a disk&quot; 
And as a matter of fact it shows that vendors don&#039;t have a clue what their VARs really look like. Why? Because they are so disconnected. 
Anyway - this conversation inspires me to write a blog post about it and will get back with some more robust data points.
But if it would be true what you or better said your vendors say - we&#039;d be bankrupt 25 years ago ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know that there is that MYTH that VARs are techies and they don&#8217;t know sales and marketing. And I may be alone with my opinion but I consider it the biggest of all MYTHs in the channel. When I wrote &#8220;Channel Excellence&#8221; I reflected some of my experience with some 10,000 VARs around the world. And when I worked with VARs during my BlueRoads days, I interacted with sever hundred and as I work on Xeequa I do that too.<br />
That VARs are non sales people is as far from the truth than &#8220;Earth is a disk&#8221;<br />
And as a matter of fact it shows that vendors don&#8217;t have a clue what their VARs really look like. Why? Because they are so disconnected.<br />
Anyway &#8211; this conversation inspires me to write a blog post about it and will get back with some more robust data points.<br />
But if it would be true what you or better said your vendors say &#8211; we&#8217;d be bankrupt 25 years ago <img src='http://c810354.r54.cf2.rackcdn.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: The VAR Guy</title>
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		<dc:creator>The VAR Guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 15:25:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Axel: The problem isn&#039;t a social media problem. It&#039;s a basic business management problem. VARs and resellers love technology, so they focus on what they love -- and many of them don&#039;t spend enough time on the basics of business:
- sales and marketing
- PR
- training
- education
- HR

Web 2.0 and social media skills are components to all of those basic business efforts. But if a VAR doesn&#039;t understand (or doesn&#039;t take the time to practice) basic sales and marketing development, how can that VAR master Web 2.0 sales and marketing skills?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Axel: The problem isn&#8217;t a social media problem. It&#8217;s a basic business management problem. VARs and resellers love technology, so they focus on what they love &#8212; and many of them don&#8217;t spend enough time on the basics of business:<br />
- sales and marketing<br />
- PR<br />
- training<br />
- education<br />
- HR</p>
<p>Web 2.0 and social media skills are components to all of those basic business efforts. But if a VAR doesn&#8217;t understand (or doesn&#8217;t take the time to practice) basic sales and marketing development, how can that VAR master Web 2.0 sales and marketing skills?</p>
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		<title>By: Axel Schultze</title>
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		<dc:creator>Axel Schultze</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2009 20:27:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Quick note to add: Don&#039;t get me wrong, Cisco is again demonstrating a great deal of leadership and this is so much needed. BUT A few hundred reseller joining a mega show - while the other 54,XXX of the 55,000 resellers don&#039;t draws a clear picture: Social Media is a powerhouse of leverage across the world. A few speakers in a physical event can&#039;t turn the heads around - let alone the business.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Quick note to add: Don&#8217;t get me wrong, Cisco is again demonstrating a great deal of leadership and this is so much needed. BUT A few hundred reseller joining a mega show &#8211; while the other 54,XXX of the 55,000 resellers don&#8217;t draws a clear picture: Social Media is a powerhouse of leverage across the world. A few speakers in a physical event can&#8217;t turn the heads around &#8211; let alone the business.</p>
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		<title>By: Axel Schultze</title>
		<link>http://www.thevarguy.com/2009/02/09/pr-and-marketing-tips-for-cisco-channel-partners/comment-page-1/#comment-95608</link>
		<dc:creator>Axel Schultze</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2009 20:21:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A great discussion here. An interesting data point was posted a few days ago by John Todor Ph.D. on the academy blog stating that executives see education as one of the biggest obstacles in embracing social media. Another data point we developed with the students was that employee empowerment by the C-Level is a big obstacle as people fear more about their jobs than they get adventurous and contribute to the social web.

On the channel side this accelerates as partners not only need to explore their responsibilities in the social web but also their collaboration pattern with vendors. While some vendors including Cisco try hard to introduce the concept or peer-to-peer networking and embrace networked thinking. The execution however is different: Too many vendors still try to dominate their partner channels, own the channel, make partners &quot;life in their portals&quot; instead of demonstrating leadership by networked thinking and recognize that even the biggest vendors can only thrive if they appreciate the dynamics of networking and step back from &quot;world domination&quot; to be &quot;just&quot; a node. The ones who understand that will remain leading their industry without monopolizing their business.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A great discussion here. An interesting data point was posted a few days ago by John Todor Ph.D. on the academy blog stating that executives see education as one of the biggest obstacles in embracing social media. Another data point we developed with the students was that employee empowerment by the C-Level is a big obstacle as people fear more about their jobs than they get adventurous and contribute to the social web.</p>
<p>On the channel side this accelerates as partners not only need to explore their responsibilities in the social web but also their collaboration pattern with vendors. While some vendors including Cisco try hard to introduce the concept or peer-to-peer networking and embrace networked thinking. The execution however is different: Too many vendors still try to dominate their partner channels, own the channel, make partners &#8220;life in their portals&#8221; instead of demonstrating leadership by networked thinking and recognize that even the biggest vendors can only thrive if they appreciate the dynamics of networking and step back from &#8220;world domination&#8221; to be &#8220;just&#8221; a node. The ones who understand that will remain leading their industry without monopolizing their business.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Van</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim Van</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2009 13:38:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Social networking is a great tool to establish trust across a group of prospects.  We use Twitter and Plaxo here extensively and interact with hundreds of local and regional small business people.  We also seem to drive traffic to our blog, and our web site, and have signed some decent contracts as a result.

All this comes at a price:  time and effort.  As pointed out above, it really is necessary to stay current, be on everyday, and to be, above all else, relevant to the community.  

There&#039;s nothing worse than reading a Twitter entry from someone who&#039;s enjoying a pepperoni pizza (especially when you&#039;re hungry!).  

On the other side, there are people out there who feel they&#039;re making earth-shattering statements several times a day on Twitter,and then there are those who seem to have a book of quotations open in front of them.  

All those are worthless, and I don&#039;t waste my time on them...

Social networking is definitely re-defining the sales and marketing process, and those who know what they&#039;re doing seem to profit nicely.... it&#039;s become a large part of Logicomm&#039;s marketing plan for 2009....

Jim Van
Logicomm, Inc.
http://www.logicomm-inc.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Social networking is a great tool to establish trust across a group of prospects.  We use Twitter and Plaxo here extensively and interact with hundreds of local and regional small business people.  We also seem to drive traffic to our blog, and our web site, and have signed some decent contracts as a result.</p>
<p>All this comes at a price:  time and effort.  As pointed out above, it really is necessary to stay current, be on everyday, and to be, above all else, relevant to the community.  </p>
<p>There&#8217;s nothing worse than reading a Twitter entry from someone who&#8217;s enjoying a pepperoni pizza (especially when you&#8217;re hungry!).  </p>
<p>On the other side, there are people out there who feel they&#8217;re making earth-shattering statements several times a day on Twitter,and then there are those who seem to have a book of quotations open in front of them.  </p>
<p>All those are worthless, and I don&#8217;t waste my time on them&#8230;</p>
<p>Social networking is definitely re-defining the sales and marketing process, and those who know what they&#8217;re doing seem to profit nicely&#8230;. it&#8217;s become a large part of Logicomm&#8217;s marketing plan for 2009&#8230;.</p>
<p>Jim Van<br />
Logicomm, Inc.<br />
<a href="http://www.logicomm-inc.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.logicomm-inc.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Mike Dubrall</title>
		<link>http://www.thevarguy.com/2009/02/09/pr-and-marketing-tips-for-cisco-channel-partners/comment-page-1/#comment-95507</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Dubrall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2009 04:53:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joe,
What you say is true.  Vendors are not putting the right resources behind this.  Although some are creating positions like Community Director and Social Media Manager to better understand the customer shift.  But its not just about search engine optimization and web analytics (thats so 2006!).  Measurement tools are moving to Social Media activity monitoring in order to understand a larger ecosystem.  We do almost everything on-line now.  Today I used Twitter to follow the layoffs at a major vendor then switched to Facebook to see if my friends had lost their jobs. No doubt many of them will now go to a meetup site or LinkedIn to network with prospective new employers.  

Traditional social networking has changed a lot (replaced by hyperactive and automated Social Media), which means the sales process has changed.  The largest and most progressive companies (Cisco, Microsoft, Oracle, Dell) are exploring this change and leading their partners and their customers to a new way of doing business. Still, no one has all the answers yet.  Like, &quot;What do you put in place to manage a sales pipleine when the traditional sales funnel has been blasted to smithereens by on-line community sales referencing?&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joe,<br />
What you say is true.  Vendors are not putting the right resources behind this.  Although some are creating positions like Community Director and Social Media Manager to better understand the customer shift.  But its not just about search engine optimization and web analytics (thats so 2006!).  Measurement tools are moving to Social Media activity monitoring in order to understand a larger ecosystem.  We do almost everything on-line now.  Today I used Twitter to follow the layoffs at a major vendor then switched to Facebook to see if my friends had lost their jobs. No doubt many of them will now go to a meetup site or LinkedIn to network with prospective new employers.  </p>
<p>Traditional social networking has changed a lot (replaced by hyperactive and automated Social Media), which means the sales process has changed.  The largest and most progressive companies (Cisco, Microsoft, Oracle, Dell) are exploring this change and leading their partners and their customers to a new way of doing business. Still, no one has all the answers yet.  Like, &#8220;What do you put in place to manage a sales pipleine when the traditional sales funnel has been blasted to smithereens by on-line community sales referencing?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Panettieri</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe Panettieri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2009 00:34:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike, Marita: Here&#039;s the problem... vendors dive into social media (Blogs, Wikis, Twitter) but then they realize they don&#039;t have the resources or the right talent to continually update the content. Plus, Web 2.0 social media is as much about search engine optimization (who are you linking to? What words are you using? who are you attracting) as it is about the actual content.

Still, a few vendors (Cisco, Dell come to mind) certainly understand social media. And they&#039;re engaging their customers and partners through those tools. A prime example: Direct2Dell.com.

Best
-jp</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike, Marita: Here&#8217;s the problem&#8230; vendors dive into social media (Blogs, Wikis, Twitter) but then they realize they don&#8217;t have the resources or the right talent to continually update the content. Plus, Web 2.0 social media is as much about search engine optimization (who are you linking to? What words are you using? who are you attracting) as it is about the actual content.</p>
<p>Still, a few vendors (Cisco, Dell come to mind) certainly understand social media. And they&#8217;re engaging their customers and partners through those tools. A prime example: Direct2Dell.com.</p>
<p>Best<br />
-jp</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Dubrall</title>
		<link>http://www.thevarguy.com/2009/02/09/pr-and-marketing-tips-for-cisco-channel-partners/comment-page-1/#comment-95479</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Dubrall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2009 00:15:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Marita.  Vendors are not doing a good job leading their channel partners into social media.  Customers are going there, vendors are going there, but resellers are being left behind.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Marita.  Vendors are not doing a good job leading their channel partners into social media.  Customers are going there, vendors are going there, but resellers are being left behind.</p>
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		<title>By: Marita Roebkes</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marita Roebkes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Feb 2009 09:44:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Var Guy. Well, I think it is awesome that Cisco is trying to help partners and open their eyes. But a great speech and motivation to open up to social media doesn&#039;t help a lot.

We are currently in a project working with 10,000 solution providers in North America and their issues are much deeper. 
They know that the world has changed - they can read it in their P+L. But they need strategic help. 

It starts with social media engagement plans, understanding what to do where, content contribution from vendors. It goes on with the endless battle that vendors try to dominate their business. One VAR said &quot;The big vendors dream about peer to peer collaboration and networked thinking - but at the same time try to dominate our business ignoring that we deal with 30 other vendors&quot; 

The large guys need to get social first. They need to understand what it means for a VAR to open up to the new ways of selling and marketing.&quot; In my humble opinion, the days of the big pitches and speeches on mega events are history. Like all our customers, also our partners need more than lip services.  Just my 2 cents</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Var Guy. Well, I think it is awesome that Cisco is trying to help partners and open their eyes. But a great speech and motivation to open up to social media doesn&#8217;t help a lot.</p>
<p>We are currently in a project working with 10,000 solution providers in North America and their issues are much deeper.<br />
They know that the world has changed &#8211; they can read it in their P+L. But they need strategic help. </p>
<p>It starts with social media engagement plans, understanding what to do where, content contribution from vendors. It goes on with the endless battle that vendors try to dominate their business. One VAR said &#8220;The big vendors dream about peer to peer collaboration and networked thinking &#8211; but at the same time try to dominate our business ignoring that we deal with 30 other vendors&#8221; </p>
<p>The large guys need to get social first. They need to understand what it means for a VAR to open up to the new ways of selling and marketing.&#8221; In my humble opinion, the days of the big pitches and speeches on mega events are history. Like all our customers, also our partners need more than lip services.  Just my 2 cents</p>
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