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	<title>Comments on: KVM vs. VMware: A Case Study</title>
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		<title>By: Bare-metal Hypervisor Setup Evaluation &#171; Binarymist</title>
		<link>http://www.thevarguy.com/2009/04/27/kvm-vs-vmware-a-case-study/comment-page-2/#comment-139834</link>
		<dc:creator>Bare-metal Hypervisor Setup Evaluation &#171; Binarymist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jan 2012 12:21:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] was an infant. Now it appears to have grown up and is comparable with it&#8217;s commercial rivals. This pretty much sums up the KVM vs VMware battle This pretty much sums up the Xen vs KVM [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] was an infant. Now it appears to have grown up and is comparable with it&#8217;s commercial rivals. This pretty much sums up the KVM vs VMware battle This pretty much sums up the Xen vs KVM [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Best virtualization solution for CentOS6</title>
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		<dc:creator>Best virtualization solution for CentOS6</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Aug 2011 10:15:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] In Centos 6 the solution is already staring you in the face with KVM. I&#039;ve heard that VMWare has the worst I/O performance of all of the current enterprise hypervisors. We have been using KVM on Centos 5 and now Centos 6 and find it very good. We use the RedHat paravirtual network drivers for Windows servers and it gives near bare metal I/O performance. &quot;if you are willing to pay for a solution, check out RHEV.&quot; But RHEV is the same technology as KVM and it&#039;s free with Centos 6 Here is another case study http://www.thevarguy.com/2009/04/27/...-a-case-study/ [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] In Centos 6 the solution is already staring you in the face with KVM. I&#039;ve heard that VMWare has the worst I/O performance of all of the current enterprise hypervisors. We have been using KVM on Centos 5 and now Centos 6 and find it very good. We use the RedHat paravirtual network drivers for Windows servers and it gives near bare metal I/O performance. &quot;if you are willing to pay for a solution, check out RHEV.&quot; But RHEV is the same technology as KVM and it&#039;s free with Centos 6 Here is another case study <a href="http://www.thevarguy.com/2009/04/27/...-a-case-study/" rel="nofollow">http://www.thevarguy.com/2009/04/27/&#8230;-a-case-study/</a> [...]</p>
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		<title>By: IGnatius T Foobar</title>
		<link>http://www.thevarguy.com/2009/04/27/kvm-vs-vmware-a-case-study/comment-page-1/#comment-131122</link>
		<dc:creator>IGnatius T Foobar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jun 2011 00:58:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This week I&#039;ve begun a pilot of ProxMox VE, which as others have noted, incorporates the KVM hypervisor.  These guys are positively sailing past VMware in terms of usability, manageability, and maintainability.  I oversee a fairly significant vSphere datacenter, and although it is the perennial favorite, it tends to frustrate us from time to time, especially when it fails in weird ways with cryptic error messages.  ProxMox VE is a solid build of Linux+KVM and we had our first server running in ten minutes, a full cluster running in half an hour, and a production-ready environment with shared storage and live migration running by the end of the afternoon.  This product is incredible!  I&#039;m amazed that it isn&#039;t more well known.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This week I&#8217;ve begun a pilot of ProxMox VE, which as others have noted, incorporates the KVM hypervisor.  These guys are positively sailing past VMware in terms of usability, manageability, and maintainability.  I oversee a fairly significant vSphere datacenter, and although it is the perennial favorite, it tends to frustrate us from time to time, especially when it fails in weird ways with cryptic error messages.  ProxMox VE is a solid build of Linux+KVM and we had our first server running in ten minutes, a full cluster running in half an hour, and a production-ready environment with shared storage and live migration running by the end of the afternoon.  This product is incredible!  I&#8217;m amazed that it isn&#8217;t more well known.</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan</title>
		<link>http://www.thevarguy.com/2009/04/27/kvm-vs-vmware-a-case-study/comment-page-1/#comment-130496</link>
		<dc:creator>Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 May 2011 03:04:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it really comes down to what you need. If you are a small organization and the licensing is more important to you, find an open source solution. However where I work at an hour of downtime could equate to 100K. So the cost of the licensing can very quickly become not as important.

For me I started using VMware due to the application compatibility of 3 party software. The other vendors have closed the gap quickly. However knowing that I have the best support out there is what matters most to me and having third party software officially support the virtualization product. I don&#039;t have enough servers to make a few % difference in performance to sway me. 

Ultimately it comes down to what works for you, and it doesn&#039;t hurt to keep an open mind. I have been looking into Xen and hyper-v more recently, and I will be looking into KVM now. 

At the same time, it would be nice to see some hard numbers in a comparison versus &quot;feelings&quot;. All of the vendors offer free versions of their software which seems to meet your needs. For your back requirements vMotion would not be what you need, HA or Fault Tolerance are the features that you are talking about. If a server fails vMotion is not going to help you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it really comes down to what you need. If you are a small organization and the licensing is more important to you, find an open source solution. However where I work at an hour of downtime could equate to 100K. So the cost of the licensing can very quickly become not as important.</p>
<p>For me I started using VMware due to the application compatibility of 3 party software. The other vendors have closed the gap quickly. However knowing that I have the best support out there is what matters most to me and having third party software officially support the virtualization product. I don&#8217;t have enough servers to make a few % difference in performance to sway me. </p>
<p>Ultimately it comes down to what works for you, and it doesn&#8217;t hurt to keep an open mind. I have been looking into Xen and hyper-v more recently, and I will be looking into KVM now. </p>
<p>At the same time, it would be nice to see some hard numbers in a comparison versus &#8220;feelings&#8221;. All of the vendors offer free versions of their software which seems to meet your needs. For your back requirements vMotion would not be what you need, HA or Fault Tolerance are the features that you are talking about. If a server fails vMotion is not going to help you.</p>
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		<title>By: The VAR Guy</title>
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		<dc:creator>The VAR Guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Mar 2011 12:51:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Josh@47: The VAR Guy and his blog team thank you for the tip. We&#039;re checking out that link now.
-TVG</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Josh@47: The VAR Guy and his blog team thank you for the tip. We&#8217;re checking out that link now.<br />
-TVG</p>
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		<title>By: Josh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Josh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Mar 2011 02:19:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Daveed H:  I&#039;d recommend that you look at cloudmin: http://www.virtualmin.com/ from the same folks who develop webmin and virtualmin.  I was looking around for a solution on a small set and found that the folks at virutalmin just released a KVM version of cloudmin.  They have a supported pro versions as well as GPL versions.  

I have been using their virtualmin for many years and enjoy it. Now I&#039;m considering either going with ESXi or cloudmin and things are leaning towards the latter as my solution.  Another option to manage virtual guest on a server for those looking for GUI solution for their clients. We all can&#039;t teach CLI to everyone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Daveed H:  I&#8217;d recommend that you look at cloudmin: <a href="http://www.virtualmin.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.virtualmin.com/</a> from the same folks who develop webmin and virtualmin.  I was looking around for a solution on a small set and found that the folks at virutalmin just released a KVM version of cloudmin.  They have a supported pro versions as well as GPL versions.  </p>
<p>I have been using their virtualmin for many years and enjoy it. Now I&#8217;m considering either going with ESXi or cloudmin and things are leaning towards the latter as my solution.  Another option to manage virtual guest on a server for those looking for GUI solution for their clients. We all can&#8217;t teach CLI to everyone.</p>
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		<title>By: Christopher Tozzi</title>
		<link>http://www.thevarguy.com/2009/04/27/kvm-vs-vmware-a-case-study/comment-page-1/#comment-129605</link>
		<dc:creator>Christopher Tozzi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Mar 2011 20:38:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Daveed H: your situation sounds like an excellent case study in the practical benefits of sticking with open-source code.  Good luck with your project.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Daveed H: your situation sounds like an excellent case study in the practical benefits of sticking with open-source code.  Good luck with your project.</p>
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		<title>By: Daveed H</title>
		<link>http://www.thevarguy.com/2009/04/27/kvm-vs-vmware-a-case-study/comment-page-1/#comment-129604</link>
		<dc:creator>Daveed H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Mar 2011 20:32:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I found this post after trying numerous virtualization solutions, including VMware server, Hyper-V, Xen and ESXi 4.1, and came up short.  The problem is our application group is trying to create a sort of mini cloud server using a spare dual quad core box with 16 GB ram for testing of various apps.  The idea is to have a hypervisor that can be configured via a Web interface to control some of our public IP addresses and a VLAN.  If the group needs several virtual boxes really quickly to do a demo or to test something, they can do it via the Web interface.  Basically, we want something like vCloud Express, except it will be something that we can run on our hardware, and it won&#039;t be public.  ESXi doesn&#039;t allow access to the API, plus it is convoluted as all hell, so that&#039;s out.  Enomalism looked like it might do the job, but it is no longer being supported as open source.  Good thing is it looks like there was a fork that should be pretty good. 

I&#039;m with Dean Rantala, as a programmer myself, I like to have access to an API that allows flexible use.  Our setup won&#039;t be mission-critical stuff, just experimental.  Unfortunately, I am disappointed that VMware puts out such a good free hypervisor then makes it hard to use the API to its full potential.  If you don&#039;t use the API, you&#039;re stuck with the .NET client.  If you&#039;ve got deep corporate pockets and just want to test out their stuff, that&#039;s all it&#039;s good for.  If you are a small organization with the need for flexibility, it&#039;s out.  

We already have a $10,000 per year CRM app that is a pain to move around or upgrade because you have to call the vendor and then explain why you want to do what you want to do before the thing will work.  Forget about trying to get the data out if the license ever expires.  You also have to hope that it&#039;ll work with the new version of your OS.  That explains why some of our apps are still running on Windows 2000 Server.  I am with the open source guys on this one.

It looks like we&#039;ll go with KVM and then a modified version of OpenECP.  We&#039;ll build whatever other little pieces that we need.  That should be a fun project.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I found this post after trying numerous virtualization solutions, including VMware server, Hyper-V, Xen and ESXi 4.1, and came up short.  The problem is our application group is trying to create a sort of mini cloud server using a spare dual quad core box with 16 GB ram for testing of various apps.  The idea is to have a hypervisor that can be configured via a Web interface to control some of our public IP addresses and a VLAN.  If the group needs several virtual boxes really quickly to do a demo or to test something, they can do it via the Web interface.  Basically, we want something like vCloud Express, except it will be something that we can run on our hardware, and it won&#8217;t be public.  ESXi doesn&#8217;t allow access to the API, plus it is convoluted as all hell, so that&#8217;s out.  Enomalism looked like it might do the job, but it is no longer being supported as open source.  Good thing is it looks like there was a fork that should be pretty good. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m with Dean Rantala, as a programmer myself, I like to have access to an API that allows flexible use.  Our setup won&#8217;t be mission-critical stuff, just experimental.  Unfortunately, I am disappointed that VMware puts out such a good free hypervisor then makes it hard to use the API to its full potential.  If you don&#8217;t use the API, you&#8217;re stuck with the .NET client.  If you&#8217;ve got deep corporate pockets and just want to test out their stuff, that&#8217;s all it&#8217;s good for.  If you are a small organization with the need for flexibility, it&#8217;s out.  </p>
<p>We already have a $10,000 per year CRM app that is a pain to move around or upgrade because you have to call the vendor and then explain why you want to do what you want to do before the thing will work.  Forget about trying to get the data out if the license ever expires.  You also have to hope that it&#8217;ll work with the new version of your OS.  That explains why some of our apps are still running on Windows 2000 Server.  I am with the open source guys on this one.</p>
<p>It looks like we&#8217;ll go with KVM and then a modified version of OpenECP.  We&#8217;ll build whatever other little pieces that we need.  That should be a fun project.</p>
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		<title>By: Derek Atkins</title>
		<link>http://www.thevarguy.com/2009/04/27/kvm-vs-vmware-a-case-study/comment-page-1/#comment-125945</link>
		<dc:creator>Derek Atkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Dec 2010 21:26:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris, that&#039;s too bad; it sounded like a good product.  Too bad nobody was able to fork it.  As for the SpotCloud, I don&#039;t want to make my VM server available to any random person, I just run a few VMs for some people I know and want them to have access to the VMs without requiring them to ssh into my VM server.

I did look at oVirt a little bit.  First, it seems to be a work-in-progress.  Second, it&#039;s design doesn&#039;t seem to fit my environment (which is a single server with lots of CPU, RAM, and Disk).  From the web pages it looks like oVirt is depending on TWO machines, one machine with disk (iSCSI), and then another machine with RAM/CPU, on which you pxe-boot an oVirt image to join the cluster.

Really, I&#039;m just looking at something to replace vmware-server now that it&#039;s EOLed.  I&#039;d like to use KVM, but I don&#039;t want to repurpose my hardware.

Thanks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris, that&#8217;s too bad; it sounded like a good product.  Too bad nobody was able to fork it.  As for the SpotCloud, I don&#8217;t want to make my VM server available to any random person, I just run a few VMs for some people I know and want them to have access to the VMs without requiring them to ssh into my VM server.</p>
<p>I did look at oVirt a little bit.  First, it seems to be a work-in-progress.  Second, it&#8217;s design doesn&#8217;t seem to fit my environment (which is a single server with lots of CPU, RAM, and Disk).  From the web pages it looks like oVirt is depending on TWO machines, one machine with disk (iSCSI), and then another machine with RAM/CPU, on which you pxe-boot an oVirt image to join the cluster.</p>
<p>Really, I&#8217;m just looking at something to replace vmware-server now that it&#8217;s EOLed.  I&#8217;d like to use KVM, but I don&#8217;t want to repurpose my hardware.</p>
<p>Thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: Christopher Tozzi</title>
		<link>http://www.thevarguy.com/2009/04/27/kvm-vs-vmware-a-case-study/comment-page-1/#comment-125943</link>
		<dc:creator>Christopher Tozzi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Dec 2010 21:16:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Derek: as I understand it Enomalism was renamed ECP and is now available only under a commercial license and without source code.  But you should still be able to download the free &quot;SpotCloud&quot; version of it from http://www.enomaly.com/Free-SpotCloud-E.509.0.html

oVirt is another option that you might want to try.  It provides a Web console as well as a management infrastructure.  I&#039;m not sure if you can use the former without the latter, but probably, since it&#039;s all open-source.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Derek: as I understand it Enomalism was renamed ECP and is now available only under a commercial license and without source code.  But you should still be able to download the free &#8220;SpotCloud&#8221; version of it from <a href="http://www.enomaly.com/Free-SpotCloud-E.509.0.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.enomaly.com/Free-SpotCloud-E.509.0.html</a></p>
<p>oVirt is another option that you might want to try.  It provides a Web console as well as a management infrastructure.  I&#8217;m not sure if you can use the former without the latter, but probably, since it&#8217;s all open-source.</p>
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		<title>By: Derek Atkins</title>
		<link>http://www.thevarguy.com/2009/04/27/kvm-vs-vmware-a-case-study/comment-page-1/#comment-125933</link>
		<dc:creator>Derek Atkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Dec 2010 20:46:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can&#039;t seem to find any way to download Enomaly (Enomalism?).  The website doesn&#039;t provide any download links, the SF download pages are empty, and while the enomalism website shows different data than the enomaly website, it still doesn&#039;t provide any links for downloading the community edition.

Is the enomaly/enomalism community edition dead?  If not, where can I find the download?  If it is dead, is there some other decent open source web-based access solution to manage KVM and provide web access to VM consoles?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t seem to find any way to download Enomaly (Enomalism?).  The website doesn&#8217;t provide any download links, the SF download pages are empty, and while the enomalism website shows different data than the enomaly website, it still doesn&#8217;t provide any links for downloading the community edition.</p>
<p>Is the enomaly/enomalism community edition dead?  If not, where can I find the download?  If it is dead, is there some other decent open source web-based access solution to manage KVM and provide web access to VM consoles?</p>
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		<title>By: Christopher Tozzi</title>
		<link>http://www.thevarguy.com/2009/04/27/kvm-vs-vmware-a-case-study/comment-page-1/#comment-117570</link>
		<dc:creator>Christopher Tozzi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Aug 2010 17:23:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nick: yes, we&#039;re still happily using KVM for production--especially after the latest Ubuntu LTS, which appeared in April, brought a number of useful improvements on the KVM front.  If I get a chance I may write up something more detailed about this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nick: yes, we&#8217;re still happily using KVM for production&#8211;especially after the latest Ubuntu LTS, which appeared in April, brought a number of useful improvements on the KVM front.  If I get a chance I may write up something more detailed about this.</p>
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