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	<title>Comments on: Landscape 1.3: Can Canonical, Ubuntu Partners Profit?</title>
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		<title>By: Joe Panettieri</title>
		<link>http://www.thevarguy.com/2009/05/18/landscape-13-can-canonical-ubuntu-partners-profit/comment-page-1/#comment-117779</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe Panettieri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 10:59:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steve: Thanks for the background info. Please keep us posted as you connect with beta testers and early customers who embrace Landscape. I&#039;d welcome the opportunity to hear about their experiences. And thanks for reading WorksWithU.
-jp

Editorial Director
WorksWithU</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve: Thanks for the background info. Please keep us posted as you connect with beta testers and early customers who embrace Landscape. I&#8217;d welcome the opportunity to hear about their experiences. And thanks for reading WorksWithU.<br />
-jp</p>
<p>Editorial Director<br />
WorksWithU</p>
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		<title>By: Steve George</title>
		<link>http://www.thevarguy.com/2009/05/18/landscape-13-can-canonical-ubuntu-partners-profit/comment-page-1/#comment-117778</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve George</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 09:45:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m English we thank everyone, if we&#039;re not saying &quot;sorry&quot; or &quot;excuse me&quot; that is!  I work for Canonical, and indirectly have responsibility for Landscape.

Obviously, we love and believe in it and the whole team works really hard to develop it.  So we&#039;re always excited and thrilled to hear what people think when we release a new version.  Consequently, my thanks that you thought it was interesting to readers! We take the rough with the smooth - and of course know that other people will have different perspectives.

I agree with you that Landscape isn&#039;t a tool to solve every IT problem - wouldn&#039;t it be amazing if it was though!  But I hope what we can do with Landscape is deliver the best tool for managing your Ubuntu systems.  We&#039;re not competing with Tivoli!  But if we can free up a sys admin to do something interesting rather than apply a security update to a hundred machines one at a time ... then I think we&#039;ve made life a _little_ better!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m English we thank everyone, if we&#8217;re not saying &#8220;sorry&#8221; or &#8220;excuse me&#8221; that is!  I work for Canonical, and indirectly have responsibility for Landscape.</p>
<p>Obviously, we love and believe in it and the whole team works really hard to develop it.  So we&#8217;re always excited and thrilled to hear what people think when we release a new version.  Consequently, my thanks that you thought it was interesting to readers! We take the rough with the smooth &#8211; and of course know that other people will have different perspectives.</p>
<p>I agree with you that Landscape isn&#8217;t a tool to solve every IT problem &#8211; wouldn&#8217;t it be amazing if it was though!  But I hope what we can do with Landscape is deliver the best tool for managing your Ubuntu systems.  We&#8217;re not competing with Tivoli!  But if we can free up a sys admin to do something interesting rather than apply a security update to a hundred machines one at a time &#8230; then I think we&#8217;ve made life a _little_ better!</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Panettieri</title>
		<link>http://www.thevarguy.com/2009/05/18/landscape-13-can-canonical-ubuntu-partners-profit/comment-page-1/#comment-117777</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe Panettieri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 May 2009 15:07:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steve: No need to &quot;thank&quot; me. Thanks for reading the site. Forgive me if I should know this, but are you with Canonical?

Either way you can count on WorksWithU to continue building out its content. We want to be the independent guide to Ubuntu, for enthusiasts and for businesses.

But we&#039;ll also work hard not to be a &quot;cheerleader&quot; for Ubuntu. We don&#039;t want readers to think Ubuntu, Landscape and other related items are tools that solve all IT problems. Instead, we want to responsibly analyze where Ubuntu fits in business -- and even where it may not fit.

Either way, we&#039;ll be working hard to earn and maintain readers&#039; trust.
-jp

Editorial Director
WorksWithU</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve: No need to &#8220;thank&#8221; me. Thanks for reading the site. Forgive me if I should know this, but are you with Canonical?</p>
<p>Either way you can count on WorksWithU to continue building out its content. We want to be the independent guide to Ubuntu, for enthusiasts and for businesses.</p>
<p>But we&#8217;ll also work hard not to be a &#8220;cheerleader&#8221; for Ubuntu. We don&#8217;t want readers to think Ubuntu, Landscape and other related items are tools that solve all IT problems. Instead, we want to responsibly analyze where Ubuntu fits in business &#8212; and even where it may not fit.</p>
<p>Either way, we&#8217;ll be working hard to earn and maintain readers&#8217; trust.<br />
-jp</p>
<p>Editorial Director<br />
WorksWithU</p>
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		<title>By: Steve George</title>
		<link>http://www.thevarguy.com/2009/05/18/landscape-13-can-canonical-ubuntu-partners-profit/comment-page-1/#comment-117776</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve George</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 May 2009 15:00:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joe,

Thanks for writing about Landscape, I hope your readers will be interested in it and try it out.  The cloud whether Amazon&#039;s EC2 or Ubuntu&#039;s Enterprise Cloud (UEC) is all new and the importance of management will only increase.  If you&#039;re running a thousand nodes the ability to update and monitor those systems is critical.

Landscape is designed to make the life of systems administrators easier - and that include managed service providers!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joe,</p>
<p>Thanks for writing about Landscape, I hope your readers will be interested in it and try it out.  The cloud whether Amazon&#8217;s EC2 or Ubuntu&#8217;s Enterprise Cloud (UEC) is all new and the importance of management will only increase.  If you&#8217;re running a thousand nodes the ability to update and monitor those systems is critical.</p>
<p>Landscape is designed to make the life of systems administrators easier &#8211; and that include managed service providers!</p>
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		<title>By: Jef Spaleta</title>
		<link>http://www.thevarguy.com/2009/05/18/landscape-13-can-canonical-ubuntu-partners-profit/comment-page-1/#comment-117775</link>
		<dc:creator>Jef Spaleta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2009 00:34:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joe:
I think the accumulated experience in the WorkswithU 1000 members is something which could probably be tapped for a Landscape experience survey without an egregious amount of effort. I don&#039;t know how long the 60 day trial will be offered. But if its still available in a month that should give you enough time to canvas the WorkswithU 1000 membership looking for companies that are genuinely interested in seeing if Landscape has value for them and would be willing to run it as a trial and provide feedback knowing you were going to forward that feedback to Canonical on their behalf.  Organizations in the WorkswithU 1000 membership want their experience to be made public..or else they wouldn&#039;t be in your catelog.

Leverage that desire and get out in front by either driving Landscape adoption by creating a set of testimonials..or driving Landscape service evolution by creating a prioritized list of changes synthesized from the WorksWithU 1000 experience.  Either way a summary of the WorksWithU 1000 deployment membership experience has immense value in helping to make sure the value of the Landscape service is realized.

-jef</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joe:<br />
I think the accumulated experience in the WorkswithU 1000 members is something which could probably be tapped for a Landscape experience survey without an egregious amount of effort. I don&#8217;t know how long the 60 day trial will be offered. But if its still available in a month that should give you enough time to canvas the WorkswithU 1000 membership looking for companies that are genuinely interested in seeing if Landscape has value for them and would be willing to run it as a trial and provide feedback knowing you were going to forward that feedback to Canonical on their behalf.  Organizations in the WorkswithU 1000 membership want their experience to be made public..or else they wouldn&#8217;t be in your catelog.</p>
<p>Leverage that desire and get out in front by either driving Landscape adoption by creating a set of testimonials..or driving Landscape service evolution by creating a prioritized list of changes synthesized from the WorksWithU 1000 experience.  Either way a summary of the WorksWithU 1000 deployment membership experience has immense value in helping to make sure the value of the Landscape service is realized.</p>
<p>-jef</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Panettieri</title>
		<link>http://www.thevarguy.com/2009/05/18/landscape-13-can-canonical-ubuntu-partners-profit/comment-page-1/#comment-117774</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe Panettieri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2009 23:28:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jef: Fair points all around. I will give the comparison to RHEL/RHN some thought. But I also want to set expectations.

As a growing company, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ninelivesmediainc.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Nine Lives Media Inc.&lt;/a&gt; (owner of WorksWithU, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.thevarguy.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The VAR Guy&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.mspmentor.net&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;MSPmentor&lt;/a&gt;) has its hands full with multiple research projects at the moment (particularly the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.mspmentor.net/top-250-people/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;MSPmentor 250&lt;/a&gt; that the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.workswithu.com/the-works-with-u-1000/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;WorksWithU 1000&lt;/a&gt;).

But I do want to acknowledge the following: In recent weeks you&#039;ve challenged us to take a far closer look at Canonical&#039;s business model, and business models across the open source industry. Your ideas above may help us to do that. And I promise to give it more thought as time potentially permits this week.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jef: Fair points all around. I will give the comparison to RHEL/RHN some thought. But I also want to set expectations.</p>
<p>As a growing company, <a href="http://www.ninelivesmediainc.com" rel="nofollow">Nine Lives Media Inc.</a> (owner of WorksWithU, <a href="http://www.thevarguy.com" rel="nofollow">The VAR Guy</a> and <a href="http://www.mspmentor.net" rel="nofollow">MSPmentor</a>) has its hands full with multiple research projects at the moment (particularly the <a href="http://www.mspmentor.net/top-250-people/" rel="nofollow">MSPmentor 250</a> that the <a href="http://www.workswithu.com/the-works-with-u-1000/" rel="nofollow">WorksWithU 1000</a>).</p>
<p>But I do want to acknowledge the following: In recent weeks you&#8217;ve challenged us to take a far closer look at Canonical&#8217;s business model, and business models across the open source industry. Your ideas above may help us to do that. And I promise to give it more thought as time potentially permits this week.</p>
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		<title>By: Jef Spaleta</title>
		<link>http://www.thevarguy.com/2009/05/18/landscape-13-can-canonical-ubuntu-partners-profit/comment-page-1/#comment-117773</link>
		<dc:creator>Jef Spaleta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2009 22:45:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Any word yet on the adoption numbers of Landscape since its introduction? What&#039;s the baseline expectation for uptake in terms of new monthly subscriptions based on the last quarter?

You should compare the cloud enabled Landscape as a service offering with the Red Hat&#039;s ec2 based cloud enabled RHEL/RHN servicing model currently in beta.
http://www.redhat.com/solutions/cloud/index.html?id
http://www.redhat.com/solutions/cloud/faq/

You&#039;ll notice immediately from the FAQ that Red Hat is taking a different approach towards billing subscriptions for the cloud services.

It seems Canonical is offering a 60 day trial for landscape 1.3.  You know what would be great? If you gathered up a smattering of workswithu readers who have Ec2 deployments and challenged them to start the landscape 60 day trial..and have them keep a daily journal. Then at the end of the 60 days, survey them to see how it went and whether or not they are going to keep paying for the service and write up an article based on the feedback.  Maybe you can find some good candidates in the WorksWithU 1000 deployment catelog. Even if you can&#039;t find people willing to do it..that would say something significant in and of itself.

The most important question that Canonical needs to find an answer to is what services Ubuntu users feel are worth paying for. A 60-day trial survey like I just proposed could definitely help WorksWithU bring focus to that question.  The management integration between Landscape 1.3 and Ec2 could be absolutely superb and yet still not be a set of services people feel are worth paying for.  If that&#039;s the case, that&#039;s the sort of hard reality that Canonical needs to learn sooner rather than later.


-jef</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Any word yet on the adoption numbers of Landscape since its introduction? What&#8217;s the baseline expectation for uptake in terms of new monthly subscriptions based on the last quarter?</p>
<p>You should compare the cloud enabled Landscape as a service offering with the Red Hat&#8217;s ec2 based cloud enabled RHEL/RHN servicing model currently in beta.<br />
<a href="http://www.redhat.com/solutions/cloud/index.html?id" rel="nofollow">http://www.redhat.com/solutions/cloud/index.html?id</a><br />
<a href="http://www.redhat.com/solutions/cloud/faq/" rel="nofollow">http://www.redhat.com/solutions/cloud/faq/</a></p>
<p>You&#8217;ll notice immediately from the FAQ that Red Hat is taking a different approach towards billing subscriptions for the cloud services.</p>
<p>It seems Canonical is offering a 60 day trial for landscape 1.3.  You know what would be great? If you gathered up a smattering of workswithu readers who have Ec2 deployments and challenged them to start the landscape 60 day trial..and have them keep a daily journal. Then at the end of the 60 days, survey them to see how it went and whether or not they are going to keep paying for the service and write up an article based on the feedback.  Maybe you can find some good candidates in the WorksWithU 1000 deployment catelog. Even if you can&#8217;t find people willing to do it..that would say something significant in and of itself.</p>
<p>The most important question that Canonical needs to find an answer to is what services Ubuntu users feel are worth paying for. A 60-day trial survey like I just proposed could definitely help WorksWithU bring focus to that question.  The management integration between Landscape 1.3 and Ec2 could be absolutely superb and yet still not be a set of services people feel are worth paying for.  If that&#8217;s the case, that&#8217;s the sort of hard reality that Canonical needs to learn sooner rather than later.</p>
<p>-jef</p>
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