Comments on: IBM's Cloud Will Feature Ubuntu http://www.thevarguy.com/2009/06/15/ibms-cloud-will-feature-ubuntu/ Channel News, Reseller News and Channel Partner Programs Thu, 09 Feb 2012 18:59:41 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Jef Spaleta http://www.thevarguy.com/2009/06/15/ibms-cloud-will-feature-ubuntu/comment-page-1/#comment-118126 Jef Spaleta Tue, 16 Jun 2009 18:49:01 +0000 http://www.workswithu.com/?p=694#comment-118126 @James: vmware as the virtualization tech.... did he go into virtualized images that IBM will be pushing which sit above the vmware layer? My current understanding is that the cloudburst appliance offering comes preloaded with Suse based websphere vmware managed images. I'm assuming IBM is deploying VMware ESXi as a bare metal hypervisor in its cloudburst appliance with no other host operating system in use. But that's the appliance, is the public cloud service IBM is talking about also built around bare metal VMware ESXi? -jef @James:
vmware as the virtualization tech…. did he go into virtualized images that IBM will be pushing which sit above the vmware layer? My current understanding is that the cloudburst appliance offering comes preloaded with Suse based websphere vmware managed images. I’m assuming IBM is deploying VMware ESXi as a bare metal hypervisor in its cloudburst appliance with no other host operating system in use.

But that’s the appliance, is the public cloud service IBM is talking about also built around bare metal VMware ESXi?

-jef

]]> By: Joe Panettieri http://www.thevarguy.com/2009/06/15/ibms-cloud-will-feature-ubuntu/comment-page-1/#comment-118125 Joe Panettieri Tue, 16 Jun 2009 18:39:58 +0000 http://www.workswithu.com/?p=694#comment-118125 James: Thanks for the follow-up. In IBM's cloud it sounds like the Open Collaboration Client Solution Software (OCCS) and Ubuntu desktop are virtualized on VirtualBridges. James: Thanks for the follow-up. In IBM’s cloud it sounds like the Open Collaboration Client Solution Software (OCCS) and Ubuntu desktop are virtualized on VirtualBridges.

]]> By: James Urquhart http://www.thevarguy.com/2009/06/15/ibms-cloud-will-feature-ubuntu/comment-page-1/#comment-118124 James Urquhart Tue, 16 Jun 2009 18:31:31 +0000 http://www.workswithu.com/?p=694#comment-118124 For the record, Dennis Quan, IBM's Director of Autonomic Computing told me that the Smart Business offerings are based on VMWare. He could, however, have been referring only to the dev/test offering, and I misunderstood. Nonetheless, Ubuntu did not come up in our conversation. See http://news.cnet.com/8301-19413_3-10265311-240.html James Urquhart The Wisdom of Clouds For the record, Dennis Quan, IBM’s Director of Autonomic Computing told me that the Smart Business offerings are based on VMWare. He could, however, have been referring only to the dev/test offering, and I misunderstood.

Nonetheless, Ubuntu did not come up in our conversation.

See http://news.cnet.com/8301-19413_3-10265311-240.html

James Urquhart
The Wisdom of Clouds

]]> By: Jef Spaleta http://www.thevarguy.com/2009/06/15/ibms-cloud-will-feature-ubuntu/comment-page-1/#comment-118123 Jef Spaleta Tue, 16 Jun 2009 15:54:46 +0000 http://www.workswithu.com/?p=694#comment-118123 Joe: I'm not shocked, but I am saddened by that admission. Canonical and its partners are papermills of press release announcements for new product and service initiatives, but no one really wants to talk about the short or long term sales performance in any detail on down the line, certainly not to the level necessary to feel out where Canonical's revenue strength is and is not. It's the difference between building buzz and building a business. I'll note that Virtual Bridges quietly added support for virtualized RHEL "desktop" in Feb...without being in a deal sweetened bundle. And on top of that Virtual Bridges offers an unbundled Ubuntu client solution without the IBM lotus software and without Canonical support priced in. So even if Virtual Bridges talked to you you'd have to distinguish between the sales of the bundled and unbundled offering to get a feel for the revenue generating power of that bundle for Canonical. Actually you'll most likely need to talk to someone at IBM about the sales numbers for the bundle..as its really IBM's bundle that includes VirtualBridges tech. and Ubuntu. -jef Joe:
I’m not shocked, but I am saddened by that admission.
Canonical and its partners are papermills of press release announcements for new product and service initiatives, but no one really wants to talk about the short or long term sales performance in any detail on down the line, certainly not to the level necessary to feel out where Canonical’s revenue strength is and is not. It’s the difference between building buzz and building a business.

I’ll note that Virtual Bridges quietly added support for virtualized RHEL “desktop” in Feb…without being in a deal sweetened bundle. And on top of that Virtual Bridges offers an unbundled Ubuntu client solution without the IBM lotus software and without Canonical support priced in. So even if Virtual Bridges talked to you you’d have to distinguish between the sales of the bundled and unbundled offering to get a feel for the revenue generating power of that bundle for Canonical. Actually you’ll most likely need to talk to someone at IBM about the sales numbers for the bundle..as its really IBM’s bundle that includes VirtualBridges tech. and Ubuntu.

-jef

]]> By: Joe Panettieri http://www.thevarguy.com/2009/06/15/ibms-cloud-will-feature-ubuntu/comment-page-1/#comment-118122 Joe Panettieri Tue, 16 Jun 2009 12:32:58 +0000 http://www.workswithu.com/?p=694#comment-118122 Jef: Here's a tidbit of info that may interest you and WorksWithU readers... I've reached out to Virtual Bridges more than half-a-dozen times seeking an interview with their CEO since December. No confirmation of an interview so far. I've also reach out to one of their resellers for an interview but have not received a response. It makes me wonder: Is the Virtual Bridges/Ubuntu/IBM relationship for real? How come Virtual Bridges doesn't return calls or schedule appointments with WorksWithU? Is it us... or is it them? Jef: Here’s a tidbit of info that may interest you and WorksWithU readers…

I’ve reached out to Virtual Bridges more than half-a-dozen times seeking an interview with their CEO since December. No confirmation of an interview so far. I’ve also reach out to one of their resellers for an interview but have not received a response.

It makes me wonder: Is the Virtual Bridges/Ubuntu/IBM relationship for real? How come Virtual Bridges doesn’t return calls or schedule appointments with WorksWithU?

Is it us… or is it them?

]]> By: Jef Spaleta http://www.thevarguy.com/2009/06/15/ibms-cloud-will-feature-ubuntu/comment-page-1/#comment-118121 Jef Spaleta Tue, 16 Jun 2009 06:00:17 +0000 http://www.workswithu.com/?p=694#comment-118121 Joe: I can't wait to see technical and pricing details the IBM services are in more detail. There's precious little information on IBM cloud site at the moment or in the the draft press release. Though if you have been following IBM communication streams closely you'd have seen WAS Hypervisor edition and WAS "cloudburst" appliance show up on the scene earlier..which make use of virtualized websphere images (based on Suse linux) running over vmware to give an indication as to where IBM is head with its enterprise related cloud services. Hopefully there's more to talk about than just "cloudburst" or a repackaging of their existing dynamic infrastructure services concept. Though, the fact that the Smart Business Desktop Cloud service offering points to a case study about Pike County schools using desktone to virtualize Windows clients on IBM big iron, should probably be taken as a cautionary warning as to the main thrust of IBM Desktop cloud product. ftp://ftp.software.ibm.com/common/ssi/sa/ps/n/env03001usen/ENV03001USEN.WMV http://www-03.ibm.com/industries/education/us/detail/news/F368506D94378L61.html http://www.desktone.com/downloads/public/collateral/Desktone-Case-Study-Pike-County-School-District.pdf If the Desktop cloud IBM is offering looks anything like the test project they did with Pike County, its absolutely unrelated to the Canonical/Virtual Bridges virtual client bundle from last December. If you actually get a chance to talk to someone about this, see if you can pin down some solid sales numbers on the Ubuntu/VERDE bundle that IBM introduced in December that include $10 per client for Canonical support and how that bundle integrates with the new cloud services. I'm not seeing a direct connection between the two programs. -jef Joe:

I can’t wait to see technical and pricing details the IBM services are in more detail. There’s precious little information on IBM cloud site at the moment or in the the draft press release. Though if you have been following IBM communication streams closely you’d have seen WAS Hypervisor edition and WAS “cloudburst” appliance show up on the scene earlier..which make use of virtualized websphere images (based on Suse linux) running over vmware to give an indication as to where IBM is head with its enterprise related cloud services. Hopefully there’s more to talk about than just “cloudburst” or a repackaging of their existing dynamic infrastructure services concept.

Though, the fact that the Smart Business Desktop Cloud service offering points to a case study about Pike County schools using desktone to virtualize Windows clients on IBM big iron, should probably be taken as a cautionary warning as to the main thrust of IBM Desktop cloud product.

ftp://ftp.software.ibm.com/common/ssi/sa/ps/n/env03001usen/ENV03001USEN.WMV

http://www-03.ibm.com/industries/education/us/detail/news/F368506D94378L61.html

http://www.desktone.com/downloads/public/collateral/Desktone-Case-Study-Pike-County-School-District.pdf

If the Desktop cloud IBM is offering looks anything like the test project they did with Pike County, its absolutely unrelated to the Canonical/Virtual Bridges virtual client bundle from last December.

If you actually get a chance to talk to someone about this, see if you can pin down some solid sales numbers on the Ubuntu/VERDE bundle that IBM introduced in December that include $10 per client for Canonical support and how that bundle integrates with the new cloud services. I’m not seeing a direct connection between the two programs.

-jef

]]> By: Joe Panettieri http://www.thevarguy.com/2009/06/15/ibms-cloud-will-feature-ubuntu/comment-page-1/#comment-118120 Joe Panettieri Tue, 16 Jun 2009 03:58:24 +0000 http://www.workswithu.com/?p=694#comment-118120 JohnMc: I'll be watching to see if the Canonical cloud play is more than hype. I do think IBM's vote of confidence in Ubuntu (especially for the cloud) is a big deal. -jp JohnMc: I’ll be watching to see if the Canonical cloud play is more than hype. I do think IBM’s vote of confidence in Ubuntu (especially for the cloud) is a big deal.
-jp

]]> By: JohnMc http://www.thevarguy.com/2009/06/15/ibms-cloud-will-feature-ubuntu/comment-page-1/#comment-118119 JohnMc Tue, 16 Jun 2009 03:00:20 +0000 http://www.workswithu.com/?p=694#comment-118119 What is unique with Canonical's cloud play is that they are trying to make it seamless. The box you develop on in your cube, will with the app port run without change on the cloud infrastructure. At least that is what they are trying to pitch. That's a bit of a different game than what RedHat and Suse are playing. What is unique with Canonical’s cloud play is that they are trying to make it seamless. The box you develop on in your cube, will with the app port run without change on the cloud infrastructure. At least that is what they are trying to pitch. That’s a bit of a different game than what RedHat and Suse are playing.

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