Comments on: Ubuntu Improves User Experience Via "Paper Cut" Campaign http://www.thevarguy.com/2009/06/20/ubuntu-improves-user-experience-via-paper-cut-campaign/ Channel News, Reseller News and Channel Partner Programs Thu, 09 Feb 2012 18:59:41 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: One Hundred Paper Cuts: 100 apró, bosszantó hiba javítása a Karmic megjelenésére http://www.thevarguy.com/2009/06/20/ubuntu-improves-user-experience-via-paper-cut-campaign/comment-page-1/#comment-118161 One Hundred Paper Cuts: 100 apró, bosszantó hiba javítása a Karmic megjelenésére Wed, 01 Sep 2010 12:59:01 +0000 http://www.workswithu.com/?p=761#comment-118161 [...] részletek elolvashatók itt, itt. A 10 “paper cut” bejelentése [...] [...] részletek elolvashatók itt, itt. A 10 “paper cut” bejelentése [...]

]]> By: digital signage software http://www.thevarguy.com/2009/06/20/ubuntu-improves-user-experience-via-paper-cut-campaign/comment-page-1/#comment-118160 digital signage software Sat, 26 Dec 2009 13:09:05 +0000 http://www.workswithu.com/?p=761#comment-118160 Congratulations, we will be expecting more from you guys! Congratulations, we will be expecting more from you guys!

]]> By: Karmic Koala leads Ubuntu revival | Indlovu http://www.thevarguy.com/2009/06/20/ubuntu-improves-user-experience-via-paper-cut-campaign/comment-page-1/#comment-118159 Karmic Koala leads Ubuntu revival | Indlovu Mon, 09 Nov 2009 15:15:05 +0000 http://www.workswithu.com/?p=761#comment-118159 [...] South. Karmic Koala is all it promised to be, with a new look, and a major inroad into removing the 1000 paper-cuts, small bugs which don’t really matter to overall system performance, but make a big deal in [...] [...] South. Karmic Koala is all it promised to be, with a new look, and a major inroad into removing the 1000 paper-cuts, small bugs which don’t really matter to overall system performance, but make a big deal in [...]

]]> By: Jef Spaleta http://www.thevarguy.com/2009/06/20/ubuntu-improves-user-experience-via-paper-cut-campaign/comment-page-1/#comment-118158 Jef Spaleta Mon, 22 Jun 2009 22:07:04 +0000 http://www.workswithu.com/?p=761#comment-118158 aikiwolfie: Part of the working definition is an estimation of how easy it is to fix the ui problem. it has to be trivially easy to fix. Well how exactly do you define trivial? At least one of the round 1 bugs was dropped from consideration after it was deemed too complicated to address. And then there is this bug... https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-keyring/+bug/162710 Marked as already fixed and slated as a round 2 papercut..which is a little disingenuous as it was actually decided it was "too complex" to fix as part of papercuts and it ends up being fixed regardless of its status as a papercut candidate. Even the papercut project drivers can't seem to self-consistently agree as to what is and is not easy enough to fix. I can't really see how its fair to include this particular fixed bug in the papercut performance stats when it was thrown out of the papercut tag pool previously...seems like the people driving the papercuts project are already padding their performance statistics 1 week into the project. Oh well. -jef aikiwolfie:

Part of the working definition is an estimation of how easy it is to fix the ui problem. it has to be trivially easy to fix. Well how exactly do you define trivial? At least one of the round 1 bugs was dropped from consideration after it was deemed too complicated to address.

And then there is this bug…
https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-keyring/+bug/162710

Marked as already fixed and slated as a round 2 papercut..which is a little disingenuous as it was actually decided it was “too complex” to fix as part of papercuts and it ends up being fixed regardless of its status as a papercut candidate. Even the papercut project drivers can’t seem to self-consistently agree as to what is and is not easy enough to fix. I can’t really see how its fair to include this particular fixed bug in the papercut performance stats when it was thrown out of the papercut tag pool previously…seems like the people driving the papercuts project are already padding their performance statistics 1 week into the project. Oh well.

-jef

]]> By: aikiwolfie http://www.thevarguy.com/2009/06/20/ubuntu-improves-user-experience-via-paper-cut-campaign/comment-page-1/#comment-118157 aikiwolfie Mon, 22 Jun 2009 18:41:14 +0000 http://www.workswithu.com/?p=761#comment-118157 @Jef Spaleta: My understanding was that a paper cut would be something that doesn't actually cause any major operational problems. But rather produces annoying artefacts like dialogue boxes being too small. @Jef Spaleta: My understanding was that a paper cut would be something that doesn’t actually cause any major operational problems. But rather produces annoying artefacts like dialogue boxes being too small.

]]> By: ooboo http://www.thevarguy.com/2009/06/20/ubuntu-improves-user-experience-via-paper-cut-campaign/comment-page-1/#comment-118156 ooboo Mon, 22 Jun 2009 16:43:58 +0000 http://www.workswithu.com/?p=761#comment-118156 I think it's definitely a step in the right direction. Seems like they are trying to 'tighten ship' with regard to Ubuntu's overall quality, and I'm all for that. @aikiwolfie: I agree with everything you've said. I think it’s definitely a step in the right direction. Seems like they are trying to ‘tighten ship’ with regard to Ubuntu’s overall quality, and I’m all for that.

@aikiwolfie: I agree with everything you’ve said.

]]> By: Raul http://www.thevarguy.com/2009/06/20/ubuntu-improves-user-experience-via-paper-cut-campaign/comment-page-1/#comment-118155 Raul Sun, 21 Jun 2009 22:40:45 +0000 http://www.workswithu.com/?p=761#comment-118155 Bravo Ubuntu!! I am so glad the ubuntu team are now addressing this issue in an organized manner. I have been Microsoft free now for 2 years and I owe that to the Ubuntu development team. Good jobs guys & gals!! Bravo Ubuntu!! I am so glad the ubuntu team are now addressing this issue in an organized manner. I have been Microsoft free now for 2 years and I owe that to the Ubuntu development team. Good jobs guys & gals!!

]]> By: Jef Spaleta http://www.thevarguy.com/2009/06/20/ubuntu-improves-user-experience-via-paper-cut-campaign/comment-page-1/#comment-118154 Jef Spaleta Sat, 20 Jun 2009 18:31:34 +0000 http://www.workswithu.com/?p=761#comment-118154 Chris: The actual round bug list has changed since the email announcement: https://bugs.launchpad.net/hundredpapercuts/+milestone/round-1 I just want to point out that at least 1 of the 10 identified bugs in the email as a round-1 bug was actually re-classified as non-trivial to fix. https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/hundredpapercuts/+bug/30739 and has been dropped from the papercut milestones completely. But there are more that have been pushed back to round-2. For example this one from the annoucement: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/hundredpapercuts/+bug/383255 linked to the upstream bug: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=584846 This really raises a few questions. How much effort is being expanded just cataloguing bugs as trivial enough or not versus actually fixing anything? How trivial does a bug have to be to fix to be considered as a papercut? And more importantly can you really know that until you've put the work into understanding the codebase? And if you understand the codebase well enough to determine that its trivial enough to be a papercut, can't you fix it even if its non-trivial. In any event I look forward to seeing the upstream patch submissions derided from papercuts. -jef Chris:
The actual round bug list has changed since the email announcement:
https://bugs.launchpad.net/hundredpapercuts/+milestone/round-1

I just want to point out that at least 1 of the 10 identified bugs in the email as a round-1 bug was actually re-classified as non-trivial to fix.
https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/hundredpapercuts/+bug/30739
and has been dropped from the papercut milestones completely.

But there are more that have been pushed back to round-2. For example this one from the annoucement:
https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/hundredpapercuts/+bug/383255
linked to the upstream bug:
http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=584846

This really raises a few questions. How much effort is being expanded just cataloguing bugs as trivial enough or not versus actually fixing anything? How trivial does a bug have to be to fix to be considered as a papercut? And more importantly can you really know that until you’ve put the work into understanding the codebase? And if you understand the codebase well enough to determine that its trivial enough to be a papercut, can’t you fix it even if its non-trivial.

In any event I look forward to seeing the upstream patch submissions derided from papercuts.

-jef

]]> By: Wesley http://www.thevarguy.com/2009/06/20/ubuntu-improves-user-experience-via-paper-cut-campaign/comment-page-1/#comment-118153 Wesley Sat, 20 Jun 2009 18:18:59 +0000 http://www.workswithu.com/?p=761#comment-118153 I have to join in with everyone else with two thumbs up. I think the little things can really be a thorn in the side. I have to join in with everyone else with two thumbs up. I think the little things can really be a thorn in the side.

]]> By: اوبنتو 9.10 يصبح أسهل في الفهم | تيدوز http://www.thevarguy.com/2009/06/20/ubuntu-improves-user-experience-via-paper-cut-campaign/comment-page-1/#comment-118152 اوبنتو 9.10 يصبح أسهل في الفهم | تيدوز Sat, 20 Jun 2009 18:03:57 +0000 http://www.workswithu.com/?p=761#comment-118152 [...] [ Works With U ] addthis_url = [...] [...] [ Works With U ] addthis_url = [...]

]]> By: Arkadi http://www.thevarguy.com/2009/06/20/ubuntu-improves-user-experience-via-paper-cut-campaign/comment-page-1/#comment-118151 Arkadi Sat, 20 Jun 2009 15:32:18 +0000 http://www.workswithu.com/?p=761#comment-118151 I'm in love with Canonical!!! I’m in love with Canonical!!!

]]> By: bigbrovar` http://www.thevarguy.com/2009/06/20/ubuntu-improves-user-experience-via-paper-cut-campaign/comment-page-1/#comment-118150 bigbrovar` Sat, 20 Jun 2009 14:30:24 +0000 http://www.workswithu.com/?p=761#comment-118150 This is a good move from Ubuntu. Most times in life its the little things that matters. I hope they work closely with upstream in carrying this out. This is a good move from Ubuntu. Most times in life its the little things that matters. I hope they work closely with upstream in carrying this out.

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