Comments on: Oracle, Ubuntu and OpenOffice: Three’s Company http://www.thevarguy.com/2009/07/01/oracle-ubuntu-and-openoffice-threes-company/ Channel News, Reseller News and Channel Partner Programs Fri, 10 Feb 2012 12:00:23 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: The VAR Guy http://www.thevarguy.com/2009/07/01/oracle-ubuntu-and-openoffice-threes-company/comment-page-1/#comment-103694 The VAR Guy Fri, 03 Jul 2009 00:14:39 +0000 http://www.thevarguy.com/?p=3631#comment-103694 @Jef: No, The VAR Guy has not read or seen usability studies... @Jef: No, The VAR Guy has not read or seen usability studies…

]]> By: The VAR Guy http://www.thevarguy.com/2009/07/01/oracle-ubuntu-and-openoffice-threes-company/comment-page-1/#comment-103692 The VAR Guy Fri, 03 Jul 2009 00:13:13 +0000 http://www.thevarguy.com/?p=3631#comment-103692 @Andras: Your constructive criticism is always welcome. Thanks for offering readers some deeper background on your experiences. -TVG @Andras: Your constructive criticism is always welcome. Thanks for offering readers some deeper background on your experiences.
-TVG

]]> By: András Ács http://www.thevarguy.com/2009/07/01/oracle-ubuntu-and-openoffice-threes-company/comment-page-1/#comment-103690 András Ács Thu, 02 Jul 2009 23:30:51 +0000 http://www.thevarguy.com/?p=3631#comment-103690 I might have been harsh. The Jaunty installation and out-of-the-box experience is fine; but after a few days of usage I realized it was getting really annoying. Used it for more than a month to wait for updates but they did not resolve any bugs that affected me (I do not possess exotic hardware). So the main problem is bugs,bugs,bugs all across the board. To get jobs done daily, that is unacceptable. The reason I questioned its usefulness in a server scenario is that in the case of Ubuntu it is not a fully separate version like Fedora/Red Hat to leave time for problems to settle, so many of these flaws would be present in a production setting for too long. At a company I used to work with Ubuntu 7.04 shortly after it was released, and I remember the experience smoother (and at the same time more GNOME-like). Feeling the decay of quality and overall impression of the distro ever since. Home usage, 'net, video and fun is entirely subjective, universal bug frenzy isn't. I might have been harsh. The Jaunty installation and out-of-the-box experience is fine; but after a few days of usage I realized it was getting really annoying. Used it for more than a month to wait for updates but they did not resolve any bugs that affected me (I do not possess exotic hardware). So the main problem is bugs,bugs,bugs all across the board. To get jobs done daily, that is unacceptable. The reason I questioned its usefulness in a server scenario is that in the case of Ubuntu it is not a fully separate version like Fedora/Red Hat to leave time for problems to settle, so many of these flaws would be present in a production setting for too long.
At a company I used to work with Ubuntu 7.04 shortly after it was released, and I remember the experience smoother (and at the same time more GNOME-like). Feeling the decay of quality and overall impression of the distro ever since.
Home usage, ‘net, video and fun is entirely subjective, universal bug frenzy isn’t.

]]> By: Jef Spaleta http://www.thevarguy.com/2009/07/01/oracle-ubuntu-and-openoffice-threes-company/comment-page-1/#comment-103686 Jef Spaleta Thu, 02 Jul 2009 16:04:36 +0000 http://www.thevarguy.com/?p=3631#comment-103686 The VAR Guy: Do you have a usability study that comes to any statistically valid solutions about the usability of one linux distribution versus another or even a Windows usability to linux distribution specific study? I haven't run across anything that I could hold up as a valid study. Without that study available for review, I don't think anyone can make any credible claims about comparative usability rankings in any form. You can't even make a valid assertion about two subsequent releases from the same linux distribution. -jef The VAR Guy:

Do you have a usability study that comes to any statistically valid solutions about the usability of one linux distribution versus another or even a Windows usability to linux distribution specific study? I haven’t run across anything that I could hold up as a valid study.

Without that study available for review, I don’t think anyone can make any credible claims about comparative usability rankings in any form. You can’t even make a valid assertion about two subsequent releases from the same linux distribution.

-jef

]]> By: The VAR Guy http://www.thevarguy.com/2009/07/01/oracle-ubuntu-and-openoffice-threes-company/comment-page-1/#comment-103681 The VAR Guy Thu, 02 Jul 2009 13:41:10 +0000 http://www.thevarguy.com/?p=3631#comment-103681 @Andras: Regarding Windows 7... The VAR Guy agrees with you. He thinks users are going to like the Windows 7 experience a lot, but he doesn't anticipate a stampede of Windows 7 upgrades. Instead, businesses and consumers will gradually embrace Windows 7 as part of their normal PC buying cycle. @Andras: Regarding Windows 7… The VAR Guy agrees with you. He thinks users are going to like the Windows 7 experience a lot, but he doesn’t anticipate a stampede of Windows 7 upgrades. Instead, businesses and consumers will gradually embrace Windows 7 as part of their normal PC buying cycle.

]]> By: The VAR Guy http://www.thevarguy.com/2009/07/01/oracle-ubuntu-and-openoffice-threes-company/comment-page-1/#comment-103680 The VAR Guy Thu, 02 Jul 2009 13:39:05 +0000 http://www.thevarguy.com/?p=3631#comment-103680 @Andras: The VAR Guy thinks it's unfair to say Ubuntu is "barely usable" on the desktop, since it seems to be among the most usable Linux desktops in the market. However, our resident blogger values your opinion and wants to dig a little deeper on this. Readers: Do you agree with the assertion that the Ubuntu desktop is getting worse instead of better? Thoughts? @Andras: The VAR Guy thinks it’s unfair to say Ubuntu is “barely usable” on the desktop, since it seems to be among the most usable Linux desktops in the market.

However, our resident blogger values your opinion and wants to dig a little deeper on this.

Readers: Do you agree with the assertion that the Ubuntu desktop is getting worse instead of better? Thoughts?

]]> By: András Ács http://www.thevarguy.com/2009/07/01/oracle-ubuntu-and-openoffice-threes-company/comment-page-1/#comment-103679 András Ács Thu, 02 Jul 2009 09:40:29 +0000 http://www.thevarguy.com/?p=3631#comment-103679 I don't see how Ubuntu can hold up in the server market as it's barely usable even on the desktop, getting worse each half year. 8.04 should be stable and relatively flawless now but 9.04 is full of broken or barely-working packages, and comes with an utterly bastardized GNOME. (Installing and using Slackware for example is a deep, fresh breath for me after these candy distros.) Where is the edge here? Support? Or the nice, peaceful logo? I don’t see how Ubuntu can hold up in the server market as it’s barely usable even on the desktop, getting worse each half year. 8.04 should be stable and relatively flawless now but 9.04 is full of broken or barely-working packages, and comes with an utterly bastardized GNOME. (Installing and using Slackware for example is a deep, fresh breath for me after these candy distros.) Where is the edge here? Support? Or the nice, peaceful logo?

]]> By: András Ács http://www.thevarguy.com/2009/07/01/oracle-ubuntu-and-openoffice-threes-company/comment-page-1/#comment-103678 András Ács Thu, 02 Jul 2009 09:29:13 +0000 http://www.thevarguy.com/?p=3631#comment-103678 As a sidenote for #1: Have you tried Win7 lately? I'm not really a Windows fan but 7 is very good, incomparable to the Vista abdomination. It's quick, UI is cleaner and smarter, new taskbar fresh and usable. It will without doubt erase XP *and* Vista from the conscious of the public. As a sidenote for #1: Have you tried Win7 lately? I’m not really a Windows fan but 7 is very good, incomparable to the Vista abdomination. It’s quick, UI is cleaner and smarter, new taskbar fresh and usable. It will without doubt erase XP *and* Vista from the conscious of the public.

]]> By: tracyanne http://www.thevarguy.com/2009/07/01/oracle-ubuntu-and-openoffice-threes-company/comment-page-1/#comment-103669 tracyanne Wed, 01 Jul 2009 21:34:49 +0000 http://www.thevarguy.com/?p=3631#comment-103669 Well I too have been testing Windows 7, Looks pretty, has the cute Legacy "Windows needs you permission to perform this task" message. Lovely pretty pictures. Obviously it isn't the Dog that Vista is. As a Windows Operating System I'd give it a 10, XP a 9, and I think I'm being generous when I give Vista a 6. As an Operating System, that is stacking it up against modern Operating Systems, I'd rate Windows 7 at about 6 or 7. Windows 7 is all too obviously a Legacy OS, just like it's predecessors, It is a better XP than XP clearly, in that it has a prettier desktop for a start (lovely wallpaper, beautiful photography, I filched it for my own computer), clearly Microsoft have managed to shoehorn a number of modern functions into the aging girl, but clearly she is an aging girl with a face lift, and all of the functions that one has come to expect of a modern operating system are still missing. Things like genuine security, Multiple desktops, Pinnable Windows, Window Shading, genuine ease of use (as opposed to familiarity with the work arounds, which after 30 + years in IT I have), real Multi user functionality. a Legacy operating system likeWindows has Anti Virus while Modern Operating Systems have Security. Well I too have been testing Windows 7, Looks pretty, has the cute Legacy “Windows needs you permission to perform this task” message. Lovely pretty pictures. Obviously it isn’t the Dog that Vista is.

As a Windows Operating System I’d give it a 10, XP a 9, and I think I’m being generous when I give Vista a 6.

As an Operating System, that is stacking it up against modern Operating Systems, I’d rate Windows 7 at about 6 or 7.

Windows 7 is all too obviously a Legacy OS, just like it’s predecessors, It is a better XP than XP clearly, in that it has a prettier desktop for a start (lovely wallpaper, beautiful photography, I filched it for my own computer), clearly Microsoft have managed to shoehorn a number of modern functions into the aging girl, but clearly she is an aging girl with a face lift, and all of the functions that one has come to expect of a modern operating system are still missing. Things like genuine security, Multiple desktops, Pinnable Windows, Window Shading, genuine ease of use (as opposed to familiarity with the work arounds, which after 30 + years in IT I have), real Multi user functionality.

a Legacy operating system likeWindows has Anti Virus while Modern Operating Systems have Security.

]]> By: Matt Landis http://www.thevarguy.com/2009/07/01/oracle-ubuntu-and-openoffice-threes-company/comment-page-1/#comment-103661 Matt Landis Wed, 01 Jul 2009 17:33:43 +0000 http://www.thevarguy.com/?p=3631#comment-103661 We are a Microsoft Gold partner and I would say that Windows 7 definitely has different things being said about it than Vista at the same time. At the same time with Vista we told people to NOT move ahead because of the requirements/performance issue etc. of Vista. (that was a microsoft partner! ;-) Apparently partners did a good job of getting the word out (tonque in cheek) because our service manager likes to point out how even grandma's that know nothing else about computers KNOW they don't want Vista when they come into our depot repair center! ;-) We are quite conservative partner but after extensive testing we are confident Win7 will be a step forward in features, performance & stability. We are beginning to prepare our clients for a move already. They, of course, are ultimately the deciders on what they do. My attempts to find fault with Win7 ;-) http://dynamicssmallbusiness.blogspot.com/search/label/Windows7 We are a Microsoft Gold partner and I would say that Windows 7 definitely has different things being said about it than Vista at the same time. At the same time with Vista we told people to NOT move ahead because of the requirements/performance issue etc. of Vista. (that was a microsoft partner! ;-) Apparently partners did a good job of getting the word out (tonque in cheek) because our service manager likes to point out how even grandma’s that know nothing else about computers KNOW they don’t want Vista when they come into our depot repair center! ;-)

We are quite conservative partner but after extensive testing we are confident Win7 will be a step forward in features, performance & stability. We are beginning to prepare our clients for a move already. They, of course, are ultimately the deciders on what they do.

My attempts to find fault with Win7 ;-)
http://dynamicssmallbusiness.blogspot.com/search/label/Windows7

]]> By: Lawrence D'Oliveiro http://www.thevarguy.com/2009/07/01/oracle-ubuntu-and-openoffice-threes-company/comment-page-1/#comment-103653 Lawrence D'Oliveiro Wed, 01 Jul 2009 10:41:16 +0000 http://www.thevarguy.com/?p=3631#comment-103653 Everything that’s being said about Windows 7 was also being said about Vista before it was released—that it had been so long since the previous widely-adopted Windows release (XP) that people would be falling over themselves to upgrade, etc etc. People will not be moving to Windows 7 in droves for the same reason they didn’t move to Vista in droves. Vista wasn’t good enough to persuade them to upgrade, and 7 isn’t enough of an improvement over Vista to make any difference. Everything that’s being said about Windows 7 was also being said about Vista before it was released—that it had been so long since the previous widely-adopted Windows release (XP) that people would be falling over themselves to upgrade, etc etc. People will not be moving to Windows 7 in droves for the same reason they didn’t move to Vista in droves. Vista wasn’t good enough to persuade them to upgrade, and 7 isn’t enough of an improvement over Vista to make any difference.

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