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		<title>By: uiliands</title>
		<link>http://www.thevarguy.com/2009/07/24/measuring-ubuntus-market-share/comment-page-1/#comment-118484</link>
		<dc:creator>uiliands</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 May 2010 20:57:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry. This is the working link:
http://www.statowl.com/operating_system_market_share.php
Select Linux share to see detailed statistics for Ubuntu...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry. This is the working link:<br />
<a href="http://www.statowl.com/operating_system_market_share.php" rel="nofollow">http://www.statowl.com/operating_system_market_share.php</a><br />
Select Linux share to see detailed statistics for Ubuntu&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: uiliands</title>
		<link>http://www.thevarguy.com/2009/07/24/measuring-ubuntus-market-share/comment-page-1/#comment-118483</link>
		<dc:creator>uiliands</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 May 2010 20:54:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What about this?
http://www.statowl.com/operating_system_market_share_by_os_version.php?1=1&amp;timeframe=last_6&amp;interval=month&amp;chart_id=4&amp;fltr_br=&amp;fltr_os=&amp;fltr_se=&amp;fltr_cn=&amp;limit[]=linux</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What about this?<br />
<a href="http://www.statowl.com/operating_system_market_share_by_os_version.php?1=1&#038;timeframe=last_6&#038;interval=month&#038;chart_id=4&#038;fltr_br=&#038;fltr_os=&#038;fltr_se=&#038;fltr_cn=&#038;limit=linux" rel="nofollow">http://www.statowl.com/operating_system_market_share_by_os_version.php?1=1&#038;timeframe=last_6&#038;interval=month&#038;chart_id=4&#038;fltr_br=&#038;fltr_os=&#038;fltr_se=&#038;fltr_cn=&#038;limit=linux</a></p>
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		<title>By: ethana2</title>
		<link>http://www.thevarguy.com/2009/07/24/measuring-ubuntus-market-share/comment-page-1/#comment-118482</link>
		<dc:creator>ethana2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 16:57:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m often frustrated by how Ubuntu is more conservative with some of the packages it ships.  By the OS itself, I do believe I&#039;d be happier as a Fedora user.

But that&#039;s irrelevant.

What makes an OS is how easy it is to get apps, support, etc.  I use Ubuntu because it&#039;s time for the death of the &#039;linux desktop&#039;.  There never was any such thing, it only confused developers.  Apple and Microsoft make their money by marginalizing us, it&#039;s a pretty effective strategy to reduce customer confusion, and I employ it liberally myself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m often frustrated by how Ubuntu is more conservative with some of the packages it ships.  By the OS itself, I do believe I&#8217;d be happier as a Fedora user.</p>
<p>But that&#8217;s irrelevant.</p>
<p>What makes an OS is how easy it is to get apps, support, etc.  I use Ubuntu because it&#8217;s time for the death of the &#8216;linux desktop&#8217;.  There never was any such thing, it only confused developers.  Apple and Microsoft make their money by marginalizing us, it&#8217;s a pretty effective strategy to reduce customer confusion, and I employ it liberally myself.</p>
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		<title>By: Ubuntu-Wochenrückblick 2009-30</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ubuntu-Wochenrückblick 2009-30</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2009 22:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Jef Spaleta</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jef Spaleta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jul 2009 23:47:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Carling:
Fedora has compiled statistics concerning downloads on the Fedora project statistics page from both the bittorrent server. Caveats apply of course. Fedora tries to be reasonably conservative with regard to the exposed stats. If multiple downloads have happened from the same IP address, they are only counted once in the tabulated direct download statistics. There is also no way to get stats on Fedora downloads directly from public mirrors that have no used a redirection URL from the fedoraproject control pages.

I&#039;d be interested in knowing the Sabayon methodology for counting downloads. Do the Sabayon download numbers represent the number of initiated download connections include those attempts that were aborted? Or is that number only completed downloads? Do multiple concurrent connections from the same ip address get counted multiple times?

-jef</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Carling:<br />
Fedora has compiled statistics concerning downloads on the Fedora project statistics page from both the bittorrent server. Caveats apply of course. Fedora tries to be reasonably conservative with regard to the exposed stats. If multiple downloads have happened from the same IP address, they are only counted once in the tabulated direct download statistics. There is also no way to get stats on Fedora downloads directly from public mirrors that have no used a redirection URL from the fedoraproject control pages.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d be interested in knowing the Sabayon methodology for counting downloads. Do the Sabayon download numbers represent the number of initiated download connections include those attempts that were aborted? Or is that number only completed downloads? Do multiple concurrent connections from the same ip address get counted multiple times?</p>
<p>-jef</p>
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		<title>By: Carling</title>
		<link>http://www.thevarguy.com/2009/07/24/measuring-ubuntus-market-share/comment-page-1/#comment-118479</link>
		<dc:creator>Carling</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jul 2009 21:56:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why all the fuss about Ubuntu, there are better distros out there a lot better than ubuntu these that never get a mention It is becoming a ubuntu Linux world, Do any of you ever try other distros?   my personal opinion is all commercial backed community distros, Ubuntu, Fedora and Opensuse are being held back by their masters, Take sabayon and Linux Mint for instance, they blow the commercial backed distros out of the water, none come up to the scratch of these two community distributions, they work out of the box, with everything set-up. Has for the number of downloads Sabayon has of today : 9.607,513 Downloads, if only Unbutu, Opensuse and Fedora had a download counter on their web sites at least one would have a general idea of the numbers Linux is used by all distributions.

Fictitious numbers from Ubuntu is like MS stating they have 95% of all world wide users and 98% of business web servers, when we all know different. May I suggest you have a look at the not so well known distribution before giving Ubuntu the golden cup for the best distribution.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why all the fuss about Ubuntu, there are better distros out there a lot better than ubuntu these that never get a mention It is becoming a ubuntu Linux world, Do any of you ever try other distros?   my personal opinion is all commercial backed community distros, Ubuntu, Fedora and Opensuse are being held back by their masters, Take sabayon and Linux Mint for instance, they blow the commercial backed distros out of the water, none come up to the scratch of these two community distributions, they work out of the box, with everything set-up. Has for the number of downloads Sabayon has of today : 9.607,513 Downloads, if only Unbutu, Opensuse and Fedora had a download counter on their web sites at least one would have a general idea of the numbers Linux is used by all distributions.</p>
<p>Fictitious numbers from Ubuntu is like MS stating they have 95% of all world wide users and 98% of business web servers, when we all know different. May I suggest you have a look at the not so well known distribution before giving Ubuntu the golden cup for the best distribution.</p>
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		<title>By: ron fournier</title>
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		<dc:creator>ron fournier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Jul 2009 21:30:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FUD is FUD, no matter who does it.
Whether it is flyboy taking numbers out of his butt or the US centric results that were pimped in the media last month which showed Linux at 1% after being in the 2-6% range a few years before.
People use numbers to say what they want. To push their agenda.

And using Distrowatch as ANY kind of measure about how many people use a distro is laughable.
Ive visited the Microsoft site a few times, usually by clicking on a link, it doesnt mean I installed Vista.

Also, I have installed Linux on about 20-25 different computers over the past 2 years for friends, family and coworkers not too mention LUG installfests.
How do you quantify those?
You dont.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FUD is FUD, no matter who does it.<br />
Whether it is flyboy taking numbers out of his butt or the US centric results that were pimped in the media last month which showed Linux at 1% after being in the 2-6% range a few years before.<br />
People use numbers to say what they want. To push their agenda.</p>
<p>And using Distrowatch as ANY kind of measure about how many people use a distro is laughable.<br />
Ive visited the Microsoft site a few times, usually by clicking on a link, it doesnt mean I installed Vista.</p>
<p>Also, I have installed Linux on about 20-25 different computers over the past 2 years for friends, family and coworkers not too mention LUG installfests.<br />
How do you quantify those?<br />
You dont.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Jul 2009 08:05:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Many problems have been pointed out in relying on web user agent statistics from various sources, but if they were done properly, shouldn&#039;t they give an accurate proportion of Linux in web traffic? Granted, that&#039;s not the same as installed base, but it would be a meaningful number. So how about some good web statistics that are not biased towards the US/Europe/technical users/a particular search engine?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Many problems have been pointed out in relying on web user agent statistics from various sources, but if they were done properly, shouldn&#8217;t they give an accurate proportion of Linux in web traffic? Granted, that&#8217;s not the same as installed base, but it would be a meaningful number. So how about some good web statistics that are not biased towards the US/Europe/technical users/a particular search engine?</p>
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		<title>By: F. Fellini</title>
		<link>http://www.thevarguy.com/2009/07/24/measuring-ubuntus-market-share/comment-page-1/#comment-118476</link>
		<dc:creator>F. Fellini</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Jul 2009 06:40:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Analysis paralysis . . . numbers will mean only whatever you want them to mean. All this measurement merely proves theory that may not have been based on fact in the first place. Estimates of estimated data, samples with dubious validity, extrapolating invalid sample data to unrelated populations. There is no way to establish correlation between say a non-internet install base and internet desktop install, or market share and how much people like your software: Take Mac vs PC in terms of market share vs likeability vs ease of use. Yeah I do find the commentary interesting and pretty much everyone is in agreement that its kinda what I used to do in my analysis days, which we used to call intelligent BS. Another thing when it comes to analysis is that, as Warren Buffett says, &quot;In the business world the rear view mirror is always clearer that the windshield.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Analysis paralysis . . . numbers will mean only whatever you want them to mean. All this measurement merely proves theory that may not have been based on fact in the first place. Estimates of estimated data, samples with dubious validity, extrapolating invalid sample data to unrelated populations. There is no way to establish correlation between say a non-internet install base and internet desktop install, or market share and how much people like your software: Take Mac vs PC in terms of market share vs likeability vs ease of use. Yeah I do find the commentary interesting and pretty much everyone is in agreement that its kinda what I used to do in my analysis days, which we used to call intelligent BS. Another thing when it comes to analysis is that, as Warren Buffett says, &#8220;In the business world the rear view mirror is always clearer that the windshield.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Alvaro C. (slackusr) 's status on Sunday, 26-Jul-09 01:42:38 UTC - Identi.ca</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alvaro C. (slackusr) 's status on Sunday, 26-Jul-09 01:42:38 UTC - Identi.ca</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Jul 2009 01:42:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Links 25/07/2009: ASUS to Bring Linux Smartphones &#124; Boycott Novell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Links 25/07/2009: ASUS to Bring Linux Smartphones &#124; Boycott Novell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Jul 2009 22:44:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Measuring Ubuntu’s Market Share It’s clear from the approaches above that putting a hard number on Ubuntu’s market share is impossible. Canonical seems reluctant to put forward any qualified figure, which is unfortunate–minimally, it would be nice to see an honest attempt at transparent analysis similar to Fedora’s statistics. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Measuring Ubuntu’s Market Share It’s clear from the approaches above that putting a hard number on Ubuntu’s market share is impossible. Canonical seems reluctant to put forward any qualified figure, which is unfortunate–minimally, it would be nice to see an honest attempt at transparent analysis similar to Fedora’s statistics. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: McIvor</title>
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		<dc:creator>McIvor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Jul 2009 20:22:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Zac here. I think when Ubuntu has finally gained a meaningful marketshare, it will be blatantly obvious. Until then, it doesn&#039;t really matter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Zac here. I think when Ubuntu has finally gained a meaningful marketshare, it will be blatantly obvious. Until then, it doesn&#8217;t really matter.</p>
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