Comments on: Rethinking Empathy in Ubuntu 9.10

By: Guillermo

Guillermo — Sun, 03 Jan 2010 10:05:06 +0000

The mostly people DONT THINK.
MSN is a private NETWORK as ICQ, Skype and many others.

Thanks to using MSN im STILL using TELEPHONE NUMBERS to call people.
Why ?

Because people are divided in diferent NETWORKS. Its like sending emails from hotmail to hotmail only. USELESS.

DIVIDE AND CONQUER ?

Yeah, “Mi girlfriend wants qq and msn” Shame on you. Help she lear from her innocence.

MSN, ICQ, Y!,Skype, etc IS NOT FREE !!

For that reason you spend lot of money in regular calling.
NOKIA or any other mobile phone will never make a phone with NATIVE XMPP thanks to S_T_U_P_I_D people that cotinue to dived in diferent networks.

Ahh.. Thanks a lot that M$ wasnt there when email was available, or today we will be using diferents kind of email protocols.

By: ichat

ichat — Mon, 23 Nov 2009 00:47:05 +0000

in the end ubuntu did NOT change and how shamefull this turned out to be…

in your text you talked about they are the same… well let me tell you – there are not…

example : there ‘s no way you can send photographs to your msn friends… (why??? – its not implemented yet).

stuff like this should have never been in the ubuntu iso.

and even though i agrea that all the sharing and groupware-like features that empathy supports should eventually replace pidgin… i think that this choice ot (when to) was so verry wrong that it may have cost ubuntu 1000′s of users just because certain apps didin’t even work on that piece of sh*t…

how untrue this all may be… i was just refering to the general non-geek ubuntu users…. its a reall shame..

By: Hongzheng Wang

Hongzheng Wang — Thu, 12 Nov 2009 12:51:41 +0000

For msn support, pidgin and empathy do obviously non-equally well. The empathy needs butterfly or haze to support msn in two quite different ways: butterfly bases on papyon while haze uses libpurple. Butterfly claims to be more advanced but lacks many basic features (OIM does not exist until recently, file transfer is not here yet). For haze, although it uses libpurple, it still lacks basic features and the development is quite slow. In summary, the support for msn in empathy is actually bad no matter butterfly or haze is utilized because it not only lacks features but also is not user friendly. For example, image someone else is trying to send file to you while you are using empathy, there is even no notification for this guy that your client does not support file transfer yet.
In fact, the developers of empathy appear to have little interest on the support for private protocols. Instead, they are mostly interested in how to deploy the so-called framework of the software itself. That’s OK for development but not so good for users. If ubuntu sets empathy as default IM application, the users will just get confusing about the quality of system itself.

By: Pidgin is still my choice for IM client in Ubuntu for the time being « GREATWEBHOST.COM.PH

Sun, 08 Nov 2009 22:35:23 +0000

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By: Jeglepaibia

Jeglepaibia — Fri, 09 Oct 2009 05:11:25 +0000

предлагаю обменяться ссылками!

By: Andy

Andy — Thu, 24 Sep 2009 01:09:12 +0000

OK, let’s really think about Linux’s goals here:
More secure. Somebody already mentioned Pigeon saves your password as plain txt. That’s a pretty big issue, maybe not for the computer when you’re logged in (permissions on directories, etc). But then again, just boot a livedisk and boom you’ve got your password. Either Pigeon needs to fix this with encryption, or I’d say Empathy is the way to handle it. Who really cares? Just sudo apt-get pigeon if you want it back.
There’s no perfect operating system. Windows needs all the crap removed like WMP and the useless IE and movie maker. Plus you need to install drivers unless you made a custom disk. Macs are hardware specific, which is fine but there’s some limitations. If I have to remove and reinstall one more program for my Karmic system, who really cares? I strip out all the junk out of any OS I get, whether it be Windows or Linux. So either way, you’ll have dissatisfied people in both cases. Me? Get Empathy. It’s probably better anway, and if not, I can go back to trusty Pigeon.
One more point. There is such a thing as overtweaking software. What I mean is, you wouldn’t get rid of some important piece of software like Naughtilus and replace it with another one less known or just different. People shouldn’t need to learn different versions of an OS, they should learn it once and keep expanding as time goes on. I think we can all agree that an IM client is far from important to deep OS work, but still important nonetheless. So, back to the point: it’s all free and it’s only a few clicks or keystrokes away, so either deal with it or recompile your own remastered Ubuntu 9.10.

By: Jo-Erlend Schinstad

Jo-Erlend Schinstad — Mon, 31 Aug 2009 09:35:37 +0000

k’echa: most of us don’t want MSN though. If we wanted to switch to a single protocol client, then we should’ve switched to an XMPP client. And the users do have to add an account in Windows too, they simply aren’t allowed to choose their own IM provider, like we do. There is absolutely no reason why Ubuntu should start using force against its users and using their family and friends against them, like the lock-in protocols do.

By: k'echa

k'echa — Sat, 29 Aug 2009 07:50:22 +0000

thay should consider emesene. In Pidgin user has to add a count whatever service he/she would like to connect, but windows users juat look msn-like client, and emesene fits perfectly.

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By: Sudipto

Sudipto — Fri, 28 Aug 2009 22:41:02 +0000

Bad to hear that empathy will replace pidgin. But till then, here's my post about pidgin's otr plugin which makes conversation encrypted and hence private: http://opensourcethefuture.blog.co.in/2009/08/28/private-encrypted-instant-messaging-in-pidgin/

By: slumbergod

slumbergod — Fri, 28 Aug 2009 17:25:35 +0000

I have empathy installed but it is just too thin on features to even come close to competing against Pidgin. Progress is just too slow with empathy too. At this rate it’ll take a couple of years before it feels mature.

Pidgin is stable and mature, though the “new” audio and video is not ready for use yet and is disabled in the versions I tried for Jaunty. But when it is ready for use, Pidgin will be the best chat client available in Linux.

Skype 2.1 beta looks promising too. I just installed it so I will try it out over the next few days.

By: dca

dca — Wed, 26 Aug 2009 15:53:01 +0000

Hmmm, maybe this is another one (two) of those projects that should work together on a single app???