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		<title>By: TJL</title>
		<link>http://www.thevarguy.com/2009/09/24/ubuntu-software-store-generates-questions/comment-page-1/#comment-119287</link>
		<dc:creator>TJL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 14:45:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the &quot;store&quot; is a great idea. if there was a good legal channel for proprietary software developers to sell software to ubuntu users then hardware manufactures might take more notice to linux driver support. Proprietary software will never kill open-source software. Open source software just forces proprietary software to be better. And whats wrong will better software for linux? Most open source programs have donation boxes anyways this might help them gain donations.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the &#8220;store&#8221; is a great idea. if there was a good legal channel for proprietary software developers to sell software to ubuntu users then hardware manufactures might take more notice to linux driver support. Proprietary software will never kill open-source software. Open source software just forces proprietary software to be better. And whats wrong will better software for linux? Most open source programs have donation boxes anyways this might help them gain donations.</p>
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		<title>By: Leomar</title>
		<link>http://www.thevarguy.com/2009/09/24/ubuntu-software-store-generates-questions/comment-page-1/#comment-119286</link>
		<dc:creator>Leomar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 05:07:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agree on what you said: &quot; After all, Canonical deserves to make money. &quot;
Obviously they will sell apps in some release, and there is nothing bad about it as it is not the OS but some apps, it could really enhace the comunity, the developers make some profit, etc.
In conclusion I love the idea of an app store in ubuntu i don&#039;t see any problem only progress ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agree on what you said: &#8221; After all, Canonical deserves to make money. &#8221;<br />
Obviously they will sell apps in some release, and there is nothing bad about it as it is not the OS but some apps, it could really enhace the comunity, the developers make some profit, etc.<br />
In conclusion I love the idea of an app store in ubuntu i don&#8217;t see any problem only progress <img src='http://c810354.r54.cf2.rackcdn.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Oltrelinux.com &#187; Ubuntu Software Store diventa Software Center</title>
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		<dc:creator>Oltrelinux.com &#187; Ubuntu Software Store diventa Software Center</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 11:56:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] l&#8217;Ubuntu Software Store ha fatto la sua comparsa in una delle alpha di Ubuntu Karmic, le polemiche non sono mancate. In effetti la scelta del nome non era affatto felice: il concetto di [...]</description>
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		<title>By: B. Greene</title>
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		<dc:creator>B. Greene</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 17:12:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Haven&#039;t we been here before. Whenever this happens I move on to the next distribution. I stopped using Mandriva back in the Mandrake days when it took serious recoding to get drivers like madwifi to work because they customized their driver to work with their wireless tools, and you had to pay the annual fee to get the &quot;legal&quot; driver because thats what their forums said.
I hope this is not an effort to divert to a proprietary fork, then I have to switch back to debian. Or is Canonical&#039;s new found love and support for Debian about pushing for the commercialization of Ubuntu (or components thereof) -- speaking to the release support now being accorded to Debian.
I agree that projects must be supported with cold hard cash, but perhaps there should be an easier way for ppa publishers to have their wares more visible, and make it easier to add/authorize repositories without the usual command line dance that doesn&#039;t get any easier with the add repositories gui. Maybe a simgle gui rather than three separate menu entries in buried in different drop down menus, then package-kit and apt-get and aptitude to add to the confusion and exasperation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Haven&#8217;t we been here before. Whenever this happens I move on to the next distribution. I stopped using Mandriva back in the Mandrake days when it took serious recoding to get drivers like madwifi to work because they customized their driver to work with their wireless tools, and you had to pay the annual fee to get the &#8220;legal&#8221; driver because thats what their forums said.<br />
I hope this is not an effort to divert to a proprietary fork, then I have to switch back to debian. Or is Canonical&#8217;s new found love and support for Debian about pushing for the commercialization of Ubuntu (or components thereof) &#8212; speaking to the release support now being accorded to Debian.<br />
I agree that projects must be supported with cold hard cash, but perhaps there should be an easier way for ppa publishers to have their wares more visible, and make it easier to add/authorize repositories without the usual command line dance that doesn&#8217;t get any easier with the add repositories gui. Maybe a simgle gui rather than three separate menu entries in buried in different drop down menus, then package-kit and apt-get and aptitude to add to the confusion and exasperation.</p>
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		<title>By: aikiwolfie</title>
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		<dc:creator>aikiwolfie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Sep 2009 16:50:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#  Jef Spaleta Says:
September 24th, 2009 at 2:08 pm

@aikiwolfie:
Canonical has a for-pay store front already… its a website.

store dot canonical dot com

There is a tiny software section. It would be interesting to know how many people have purchased software through that interface..but I doubt Canonical is going to release hard numbers on that ever.

-jef


You&#039;re right. Canonical does have a web based store. It&#039;s pretty barren. Always has been and likely always will be. Canonicals existing store has never been highly publicised. Never been pushed. It&#039;s always just sort of been there.

Click &#039;N&#039; Run is also still limping along. It has never really taken off in a big way. If it had we&#039;d all be using it. But we&#039;re not. People seem to like the idea of an App Store. That&#039;s people, not geeks.

An app store is more like a software repository. Except you pay for what you use. It works for Apple and it works for Googles Android. Why not Ubuntu?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#  Jef Spaleta Says:<br />
September 24th, 2009 at 2:08 pm</p>
<p>@aikiwolfie:<br />
Canonical has a for-pay store front already… its a website.</p>
<p>store dot canonical dot com</p>
<p>There is a tiny software section. It would be interesting to know how many people have purchased software through that interface..but I doubt Canonical is going to release hard numbers on that ever.</p>
<p>-jef</p>
<p>You&#8217;re right. Canonical does have a web based store. It&#8217;s pretty barren. Always has been and likely always will be. Canonicals existing store has never been highly publicised. Never been pushed. It&#8217;s always just sort of been there.</p>
<p>Click &#8216;N&#8217; Run is also still limping along. It has never really taken off in a big way. If it had we&#8217;d all be using it. But we&#8217;re not. People seem to like the idea of an App Store. That&#8217;s people, not geeks.</p>
<p>An app store is more like a software repository. Except you pay for what you use. It works for Apple and it works for Googles Android. Why not Ubuntu?</p>
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		<title>By: Hmm</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hmm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Sep 2009 16:15:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://d0od.blogspot.com/2009/09/ubuntu-software-store-renamed.html</description>
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		<title>By: Christopher Tozzi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christopher Tozzi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Sep 2009 04:21:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>lalitpatanpur: interesting note; thanks for pointing it out.  I&#039;ll check this out when I get a chance to upgrade my Karmic installation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>lalitpatanpur: interesting note; thanks for pointing it out.  I&#8217;ll check this out when I get a chance to upgrade my Karmic installation.</p>
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		<title>By: lalitpatanpur</title>
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		<dc:creator>lalitpatanpur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Sep 2009 01:55:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just noticed today (9/27) in my Ubuntu 9.10 beta updates that &quot;Software Store&quot; has been replaced with &quot;Ubuntu Software Center.&quot;   I think the big U must have given into the naming arguments.

But, I agree, proprietary software should be available to the user at his or her discretion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just noticed today (9/27) in my Ubuntu 9.10 beta updates that &#8220;Software Store&#8221; has been replaced with &#8220;Ubuntu Software Center.&#8221;   I think the big U must have given into the naming arguments.</p>
<p>But, I agree, proprietary software should be available to the user at his or her discretion.</p>
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		<title>By: anytux</title>
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		<dc:creator>anytux</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Sep 2009 01:32:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Software Store for Human Beings!

Now on a serious note. I think they should keep the &quot;Add/Remove Applications&quot; as it is and make another application called &quot;Software Store&quot; which will offer only proprietary applications for users who are willing to pay.

This way lots of developers or companies who are writing software applications for Windows will be interested in porting their applications to Ubuntu.

If it becomes a trend, then more Linux distributions will adopt this idea. After a while, we will see more and more applications that people use on Windows available on Linux too, so people will no longer complain that they would love to use Linux as their main operating system but they need some applications which are available on Windows only.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Software Store for Human Beings!</p>
<p>Now on a serious note. I think they should keep the &#8220;Add/Remove Applications&#8221; as it is and make another application called &#8220;Software Store&#8221; which will offer only proprietary applications for users who are willing to pay.</p>
<p>This way lots of developers or companies who are writing software applications for Windows will be interested in porting their applications to Ubuntu.</p>
<p>If it becomes a trend, then more Linux distributions will adopt this idea. After a while, we will see more and more applications that people use on Windows available on Linux too, so people will no longer complain that they would love to use Linux as their main operating system but they need some applications which are available on Windows only.</p>
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		<title>By: Links 25/09/2009: Ubuntu 9.10 Appearance Finalised, Ulteo Runs on EC2 &#124; Boycott Novell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Links 25/09/2009: Ubuntu 9.10 Appearance Finalised, Ulteo Runs on EC2 &#124; Boycott Novell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Sep 2009 00:12:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Ubuntu Software Store Generates Questions Given the likelihood that the Software Store will eventually become a channel for selling applications in addition to distributing Free ones, and that that development is in the interests of everyone, I don’t see a reason to worry so much about the implications of the term “store.” Although the application won’t serve as a store in Ubuntu 9.10, it may well become one in future releases. And that’s fine. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Ubuntu Software Store Generates Questions Given the likelihood that the Software Store will eventually become a channel for selling applications in addition to distributing Free ones, and that that development is in the interests of everyone, I don’t see a reason to worry so much about the implications of the term “store.” Although the application won’t serve as a store in Ubuntu 9.10, it may well become one in future releases. And that’s fine. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Hmm</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hmm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Sep 2009 21:49:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Many project websites offer options to donate to the project but most users will never see this if they install from a distro’s repo.&quot;

Exactly.  There are lots of programs and libraries that you use every day that request donations, but you&#039;ll never see that because you don&#039;t visit their web sites.  Firefox added a donation field to their Add-on page, so you can keep track of which projects you&#039;ve donated to (vs the ones that suck or that you barely use, and don&#039;t feel any need to donate to).  I think something similar should be built into the Add/Remove programs tool.

Some FOSS stuff is written by paid employees (Mozilla, Canonical, Novell, etc.)  but other stuff is written by volunteers.  I think having a &quot;donations tracker&quot; (alongside pay-to-download apps) would be a great change and help improve the quality of open source software (and improve Ubuntu&#039;s compatibility with commercial software, which I don&#039;t believe to be inherently evil, like some people...)

&quot;However I see this new application as needless duplication unless Canonical&quot;

I&#039;ve always thought this, too.  How many different Apt front-ends are there, now?  And they feel they have to make another one instead of building on something that already exists?  If there&#039;s one thing open source is great at, it&#039;s duplicating effort; producing mediocre implementations of the same functionality over and over again.  How many media players are there for Linux now?  Maybe they should call it &quot;YASS&quot;, for &quot;Yet Another Software Store&quot;.

&quot;There is a tiny software section. It would be interesting to know how many people have purchased software through that interface..but I doubt Canonical is going to release hard numbers on that ever.&quot;

I&#039;d never even heard of that section.  I wonder how many people have.

&quot;if you have to buy shit, its not free
they are on their way to becoming microsoft jr.&quot;

And maybe once they start making a little money, they&#039;ll have the resources to make their OS run more smoothly, like Microsoft&#039;s.

I&#039;m not being sarcastic.  A modern Windows installation is better than Ubuntu in lots of ways.  It would be great if Ubuntu reached the same level of quality someday, while still providing all the freedoms of open source.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Many project websites offer options to donate to the project but most users will never see this if they install from a distro’s repo.&#8221;</p>
<p>Exactly.  There are lots of programs and libraries that you use every day that request donations, but you&#8217;ll never see that because you don&#8217;t visit their web sites.  Firefox added a donation field to their Add-on page, so you can keep track of which projects you&#8217;ve donated to (vs the ones that suck or that you barely use, and don&#8217;t feel any need to donate to).  I think something similar should be built into the Add/Remove programs tool.</p>
<p>Some FOSS stuff is written by paid employees (Mozilla, Canonical, Novell, etc.)  but other stuff is written by volunteers.  I think having a &#8220;donations tracker&#8221; (alongside pay-to-download apps) would be a great change and help improve the quality of open source software (and improve Ubuntu&#8217;s compatibility with commercial software, which I don&#8217;t believe to be inherently evil, like some people&#8230;)</p>
<p>&#8220;However I see this new application as needless duplication unless Canonical&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve always thought this, too.  How many different Apt front-ends are there, now?  And they feel they have to make another one instead of building on something that already exists?  If there&#8217;s one thing open source is great at, it&#8217;s duplicating effort; producing mediocre implementations of the same functionality over and over again.  How many media players are there for Linux now?  Maybe they should call it &#8220;YASS&#8221;, for &#8220;Yet Another Software Store&#8221;.</p>
<p>&#8220;There is a tiny software section. It would be interesting to know how many people have purchased software through that interface..but I doubt Canonical is going to release hard numbers on that ever.&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;d never even heard of that section.  I wonder how many people have.</p>
<p>&#8220;if you have to buy shit, its not free<br />
they are on their way to becoming microsoft jr.&#8221;</p>
<p>And maybe once they start making a little money, they&#8217;ll have the resources to make their OS run more smoothly, like Microsoft&#8217;s.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not being sarcastic.  A modern Windows installation is better than Ubuntu in lots of ways.  It would be great if Ubuntu reached the same level of quality someday, while still providing all the freedoms of open source.</p>
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		<title>By: paul</title>
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		<dc:creator>paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Sep 2009 18:40:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just remembered something.  Click-n-Run by Freespire or whatever it was called.  It failed.  I wonder how this will be different?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just remembered something.  Click-n-Run by Freespire or whatever it was called.  It failed.  I wonder how this will be different?</p>
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