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By: Ellyn M.

Ellyn M. — Wed, 30 Sep 2009 04:06:01 +0000

Um..Tim…you just proved the points made by everyone who is criticizing Mark’s speech. “It really is hard explaining FOSS work to females you meet and want to impress” How is that not exclusionary? You’re assuming only male devs, or at best male and lesbian devs.

By: B. Greene

B. Greene — Tue, 29 Sep 2009 16:42:54 +0000

After reading this thread I cannot help but rofl. Is this a victimless crime … is it a crime at all. Maybe its just the nature of how things turn out. There certainly were more than 60% women in my computer classes and I cant tell you that many ended up in core computing fields. Maybe there are better things in other fields, or life simply happens.
There is a great divide between aptitude and the general desire to learn. When it comes to technology there are people, a very large proportion of people, that just don’t get it and sex has nothing to do with it. I have met a greater number of men that are bumbling idiots when it comes to computers, and worse that they don’t know or care to be vocal about their need for help. Just yesterday this dude is staring at an Ubuntu desktop with nothing but icons of five major web browsers (with the name of the browser and a statement following that says web browser) and had the audacity to express his frustration at not being able to find the web browser. The intelligence argument is about people not men or women, and I doubt its about the intellect at all but about resistance to change and fear of the unknown.
I respect Carla because she speaks her mind and to real issues. There are lots of people out there that lack social filters in their interaction with others. Maybe guys need sensitivity training with mothers given liberty to whip their kids into shape. Then I think that more than 50% of the worlds population is women, women being mothers. Is this an indicator of where they have gone wrong in nurturing respectable men or is there just a batch of men with regrettable social qualities. I cringe and get turned off a forum when I see lewd comments directed towards a woman.
There should be a code of conduct in organizations and organized conferences where people should be disallowed from using colorful language regardless of the audience. Its just respect 101 in life that unless you are being paid to be a comedian you don’t stand in mixed company and be disrespectful to your audience.
Elizabeth Krumbach hits the nail on the head: Its about mentorship. I love what bumpy says, that there is no shortage of women. We just need to see more women with the visible success of Carla Schroder mentoring others not just women but men also. This can help create a critical mass of Linux adoption by consumers and enterprise since people are decision influencers and advocates.

By: Elizabeth Krumbach

Elizabeth Krumbach — Tue, 29 Sep 2009 01:03:10 +0000

none of those suggestions has yet been acted upon, as far as I know

We at the Ubuntu Women project actually did move forward with the interviews series in Full Circle Magazine, it’s been a really nice initiative for us. We’ve also tried to be more encouraging to others to speak at conferences, we’re pushing geekspeakr.com and personally I’ve started speaking at events and conferences (leading by example and all that ).

By: aikiwolfie

aikiwolfie — Sat, 26 Sep 2009 19:52:56 +0000

I think the simple fact of the matter is, there are people out there in the world making a fuss about something that was nothing. When that happens there are clearly ulterior motives.

By: karablak

karablak — Sat, 26 Sep 2009 13:14:06 +0000

This has nothing to do with sexism. It’s all about self-victimization – the primary method of worshiping the Almighty Bulls**t in the Great Church of Political Correctness. How come I never have met a woman who would be offended by what Mark said? How is it that basically every feminist I know would rather be offended by the notion that women need to be protected from basic human freedoms (we’re talking about freedom of speech, and simply not feeling guilty for your human nature, after all)? After all the only people who need protection from anything are those who are too weak to deal with their problems themselves (whether the nature of these problems might be). Doesn’t saying that women need to be protected from that imply that all women are intrinsically to weak to be free? Not a very feminist thing to say. Why doesn’t all this make any sense to me?
…oh right! Im not from US, I’m not being spoon-fed this crap every day of my life since early childhood by politically motivated hypocrites and their brainwashed, self-victimizing victims.
Seriously America, wake up. Please do. You used to be great, now you’re just poisoning world’s culture.

By: PenguinPromoter

PenguinPromoter — Fri, 25 Sep 2009 23:58:10 +0000

The number of technical men vs technical women in Silicon Valley is about 10 to 1. From a personal experience perspective women who are non-technical are just not interested in any thing technical period, whether it be changing oil types or tires on a car.

Computers must be easy to use for 90% of women. I would ballpark about 75% of men need computers that are easy to use, BUT about 50% of men are technical at something: cars, construction, plumbing, etc..

Most geeky guys do not have any experience with women who are technical and even less with women who are non-technical.

I have seen women with master’s degrees in computer science(H1-B’s) not be able to change their own *nix PATH variable in their .bash_*** start up file. They told me “I just want it to work I do not want to have to figure it out.”

The perception that men have of women not being technical with anything is based on a lot of personal experience.

By: Tim

Tim — Fri, 25 Sep 2009 22:49:33 +0000

I saw it live and it was nothing. Just an honest experience every guy in FOSS has had. It really is hard explaining FOSS work to females you meet and want to impress .. I have experienced it myself, so don’t tell me how things are.

Everybody who makes a fuss out of this should get a life (a real one) These stupid feminist fundamentalist with their black and white view of the world have to stop.

By: satipera

satipera — Fri, 25 Sep 2009 19:18:59 +0000

If women are interested they will participate if they are not they will not participate. What cheeses me off are the women who blame men for all women’s perceived problems. Grow a spine and take some personal responsibility. The question should be how do we draw more people into FLOSS not just women.

By: bumpy

bumpy — Fri, 25 Sep 2009 13:42:43 +0000

I’m getting tired of people blathering as if there were not a severe shortage of women in programming and IT in general. It’s not a problem peculiar to FOSS.

By: jaklumen

jaklumen — Fri, 25 Sep 2009 12:10:28 +0000

Hmmm. I’ve mingled in the subset worlds of gaming, SF & fantasy media, and computing, and I can see it from both sides.

Sexism exists in all those genres, and yet women have managed to carve out niches in all of them, some for a number of years now. I’ve met some, befriended a few, married one.

I think it’s a fair question to ask how much women are involved, and how we might draw them in more. It’s also not an unfair statement to say that Linux DOES appear to be dominated by men, and about by the same amount that the other things I mentioned are. Perception does count for a lot.