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	<title>Comments on: Ubuntu 9.10 Preview: New Login Manager</title>
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		<title>By: Ale</title>
		<link>http://www.thevarguy.com/2009/10/03/ubuntu-910-preview-new-login-manager/comment-page-1/#comment-119404</link>
		<dc:creator>Ale</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Dec 2009 22:31:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Definitely the new login screen is BAD. It is DEFINITELY not adapted for a network environment. I still didn&#039;t try that, but I just fear seeing 10,000 users from the LDAP server on the login screen... I can for sure not distribute anything like this to the users here. It is also a security issue. It is the first time that I see such a bad thing in Ubuntu. I hope they&#039;ll address it seriously in 10.04. Don&#039;t want to see such a bad thing in a LTS release, this might possibly mean for us switching to Debian, if the issue can&#039;t be solved completely by editing the config files (such a login screen is okay on a home computer maybe, but not at a school/library/office/...).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Definitely the new login screen is BAD. It is DEFINITELY not adapted for a network environment. I still didn&#8217;t try that, but I just fear seeing 10,000 users from the LDAP server on the login screen&#8230; I can for sure not distribute anything like this to the users here. It is also a security issue. It is the first time that I see such a bad thing in Ubuntu. I hope they&#8217;ll address it seriously in 10.04. Don&#8217;t want to see such a bad thing in a LTS release, this might possibly mean for us switching to Debian, if the issue can&#8217;t be solved completely by editing the config files (such a login screen is okay on a home computer maybe, but not at a school/library/office/&#8230;).</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Brown</title>
		<link>http://www.thevarguy.com/2009/10/03/ubuntu-910-preview-new-login-manager/comment-page-1/#comment-119403</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe Brown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 08:50:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The new login just looks like something from Vista. Next time, leave us the possibility to opt out. You are learning from Redmond too fast.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The new login just looks like something from Vista. Next time, leave us the possibility to opt out. You are learning from Redmond too fast.</p>
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		<title>By: gnome user</title>
		<link>http://www.thevarguy.com/2009/10/03/ubuntu-910-preview-new-login-manager/comment-page-1/#comment-119402</link>
		<dc:creator>gnome user</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2009 15:55:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>New gdm sucks.
Please fix that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>New gdm sucks.<br />
Please fix that.</p>
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		<title>By: DaVince</title>
		<link>http://www.thevarguy.com/2009/10/03/ubuntu-910-preview-new-login-manager/comment-page-1/#comment-119401</link>
		<dc:creator>DaVince</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 16:17:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just noticed how much they took away from the login editor... Ouch, why&#039;d they do that?!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just noticed how much they took away from the login editor&#8230; Ouch, why&#8217;d they do that?!</p>
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		<title>By: DaVince</title>
		<link>http://www.thevarguy.com/2009/10/03/ubuntu-910-preview-new-login-manager/comment-page-1/#comment-119400</link>
		<dc:creator>DaVince</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 16:13:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you haven&#039;t seen Xubuntu&#039;s startup, you&#039;ve seen nothing. Beautiful right from the start. Dancing fire flies and everything, and a nice black/blue style to it all!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you haven&#8217;t seen Xubuntu&#8217;s startup, you&#8217;ve seen nothing. Beautiful right from the start. Dancing fire flies and everything, and a nice black/blue style to it all!</p>
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		<title>By: WhyName</title>
		<link>http://www.thevarguy.com/2009/10/03/ubuntu-910-preview-new-login-manager/comment-page-1/#comment-119399</link>
		<dc:creator>WhyName</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 14:40:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Aaargh
I wonder what will be next.. What customisation options will they remove in 10.04 ? Not much left. Perhaps we don&#039;t need any GUI preferences dialogues, control canters, no choices at all. This is totally wrong. Unbelievable. Someone don&#039;t like his job. Cannot see other reason for this. Both ubuntu and gnome.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aaargh<br />
I wonder what will be next.. What customisation options will they remove in 10.04 ? Not much left. Perhaps we don&#8217;t need any GUI preferences dialogues, control canters, no choices at all. This is totally wrong. Unbelievable. Someone don&#8217;t like his job. Cannot see other reason for this. Both ubuntu and gnome.</p>
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		<title>By: ALex</title>
		<link>http://www.thevarguy.com/2009/10/03/ubuntu-910-preview-new-login-manager/comment-page-1/#comment-119398</link>
		<dc:creator>ALex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 17:31:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>how many dozen&#039;s wine bottles did you drink man?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>how many dozen&#8217;s wine bottles did you drink man?</p>
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		<title>By: Derek Mayne</title>
		<link>http://www.thevarguy.com/2009/10/03/ubuntu-910-preview-new-login-manager/comment-page-1/#comment-119397</link>
		<dc:creator>Derek Mayne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 11:28:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is bad guys - Surely your graphic designers and human interfaces team were on vacation when you put this stinker out - its a retro step from the clean professional end user friendly login that we had previously.  I had just started to convert non-techie, windoze users taht Ubuntu wasn&#039;t just a geeky toy.  As for the lack of config options... ugh, I can&#039;t be bothered to go on... this just stinks.  Sort it out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is bad guys &#8211; Surely your graphic designers and human interfaces team were on vacation when you put this stinker out &#8211; its a retro step from the clean professional end user friendly login that we had previously.  I had just started to convert non-techie, windoze users taht Ubuntu wasn&#8217;t just a geeky toy.  As for the lack of config options&#8230; ugh, I can&#8217;t be bothered to go on&#8230; this just stinks.  Sort it out.</p>
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		<title>By: Grey</title>
		<link>http://www.thevarguy.com/2009/10/03/ubuntu-910-preview-new-login-manager/comment-page-1/#comment-119396</link>
		<dc:creator>Grey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 23:31:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The new login SUX! No configuration, displaying my username, WTF were they thinking?
This is a huge step backwards! I&#039;ve gone from a nice GUI to being forced to use command line to configure the login! GEEBUS H CHRISTIE! This goes completely against Ubuntu&#039;s designated goals. WTF!?  This has to be one of the stupidest things I&#039;ve seen Ubuntu do ever!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The new login SUX! No configuration, displaying my username, WTF were they thinking?<br />
This is a huge step backwards! I&#8217;ve gone from a nice GUI to being forced to use command line to configure the login! GEEBUS H CHRISTIE! This goes completely against Ubuntu&#8217;s designated goals. WTF!?  This has to be one of the stupidest things I&#8217;ve seen Ubuntu do ever!</p>
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		<title>By: Blinky</title>
		<link>http://www.thevarguy.com/2009/10/03/ubuntu-910-preview-new-login-manager/comment-page-1/#comment-119395</link>
		<dc:creator>Blinky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 08:13:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;graceful elegance&quot; - made me laugh, what a load of BS.

I dreaded new GDM login manager.  I can&#039;t see why the knome people have bothered replacing a working peice of software with this POS.

By default it takes away the nice things of X network transparency etc.  These guy&#039;s (Gnome devs) must be smoking something when they thought this one up.

hat&#039;s wrong with it:

1.  By default listing available users (bad security - you&#039;ve give half away the user/password combination away).

2.  No usefull config utility (enable remote login&#039;s, option of showing a chooser etc.

3.  Config data in 2 different places (/etc/gdm/custom.conf and the gconf tree for gdm user).   Way to do it guy&#039;s - muppets!

What does a login (xdm? kdm? etc) manager need to do?  login a user and get the fu*k out of the way.  It&#039;s not like a user is using that like a normal application (openoffice, firefox).  People don&#039;t sit there staring at the login screen all day, it just needs to be simple and useful (old GDM minus the theming).

It feels like most of the OSS software is moving forward and the tw*ts at gnome keep dragging everthing/everyone backwards</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;graceful elegance&#8221; &#8211; made me laugh, what a load of BS.</p>
<p>I dreaded new GDM login manager.  I can&#8217;t see why the knome people have bothered replacing a working peice of software with this POS.</p>
<p>By default it takes away the nice things of X network transparency etc.  These guy&#8217;s (Gnome devs) must be smoking something when they thought this one up.</p>
<p>hat&#8217;s wrong with it:</p>
<p>1.  By default listing available users (bad security &#8211; you&#8217;ve give half away the user/password combination away).</p>
<p>2.  No usefull config utility (enable remote login&#8217;s, option of showing a chooser etc.</p>
<p>3.  Config data in 2 different places (/etc/gdm/custom.conf and the gconf tree for gdm user).   Way to do it guy&#8217;s &#8211; muppets!</p>
<p>What does a login (xdm? kdm? etc) manager need to do?  login a user and get the fu*k out of the way.  It&#8217;s not like a user is using that like a normal application (openoffice, firefox).  People don&#8217;t sit there staring at the login screen all day, it just needs to be simple and useful (old GDM minus the theming).</p>
<p>It feels like most of the OSS software is moving forward and the tw*ts at gnome keep dragging everthing/everyone backwards</p>
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		<title>By: Tavisto</title>
		<link>http://www.thevarguy.com/2009/10/03/ubuntu-910-preview-new-login-manager/comment-page-1/#comment-119394</link>
		<dc:creator>Tavisto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 00:22:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I found this link, it might help some of you on here..

http://www.ubuntumini.com/2009/09/hack-karmics-gdm-login-screen.html

I am about to go log out and try it. Hope it works.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I found this link, it might help some of you on here..</p>
<p><a href="http://www.ubuntumini.com/2009/09/hack-karmics-gdm-login-screen.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.ubuntumini.com/2009/09/hack-karmics-gdm-login-screen.html</a></p>
<p>I am about to go log out and try it. Hope it works.</p>
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		<title>By: Jef Spaleta</title>
		<link>http://www.thevarguy.com/2009/10/03/ubuntu-910-preview-new-login-manager/comment-page-1/#comment-119393</link>
		<dc:creator>Jef Spaleta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 23:30:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Michal:

You can&#039;t blame Ubuntu for gdm development decisions that are made upstream...especially when Canonical nor Ubuntu developers are active in the upstream gdm development.

You might like to read these references for your particular usage case:

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/Multiseat
http://wiki.c3sl.ufpr.br/multiseat/index.php/Mdm

-jef</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Michal:</p>
<p>You can&#8217;t blame Ubuntu for gdm development decisions that are made upstream&#8230;especially when Canonical nor Ubuntu developers are active in the upstream gdm development.</p>
<p>You might like to read these references for your particular usage case:</p>
<p><a href="https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/Multiseat" rel="nofollow">https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/Multiseat</a><br />
<a href="http://wiki.c3sl.ufpr.br/multiseat/index.php/Mdm" rel="nofollow">http://wiki.c3sl.ufpr.br/multiseat/index.php/Mdm</a></p>
<p>-jef</p>
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