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	<title>Comments on: The Importance of Free Software in the Cloud</title>
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		<title>By: neo</title>
		<link>http://www.thevarguy.com/2009/10/13/the-importance-of-free-software-in-the-cloud/comment-page-1/#comment-119553</link>
		<dc:creator>neo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 11:23:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>huats,

I being critical of dubious talks of free software clouds considering the business model of Canonical being so tied to proprietary clouds and single system API&#039;s like EC2. Calling it trolling is just a way to avoid discussing serious issues of lack of participation from Canonical in the broader ecosystem.

I am not going to sitting on IRC either to give my feedback. I am giving it right now, right here. That should be more than enough.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>huats,</p>
<p>I being critical of dubious talks of free software clouds considering the business model of Canonical being so tied to proprietary clouds and single system API&#8217;s like EC2. Calling it trolling is just a way to avoid discussing serious issues of lack of participation from Canonical in the broader ecosystem.</p>
<p>I am not going to sitting on IRC either to give my feedback. I am giving it right now, right here. That should be more than enough.</p>
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		<title>By: huats</title>
		<link>http://www.thevarguy.com/2009/10/13/the-importance-of-free-software-in-the-cloud/comment-page-1/#comment-119552</link>
		<dc:creator>huats</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 10:18:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Neo : Please don&#039;t start a troll like that... I really think nicolas&#039;s idea was to promote the usage of Free Softare for Cloud computing. He described 2 approaches (DeltaCloud and UEC) in that area, without saying one is best than the other, even if I am sure he has his own opinion.
I do think you are firing the wrong opponent there...

Oh and there is no need to travel to participate to a Ubuntu Developper Conference, you can participate from your place using IRC...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Neo : Please don&#8217;t start a troll like that&#8230; I really think nicolas&#8217;s idea was to promote the usage of Free Softare for Cloud computing. He described 2 approaches (DeltaCloud and UEC) in that area, without saying one is best than the other, even if I am sure he has his own opinion.<br />
I do think you are firing the wrong opponent there&#8230;</p>
<p>Oh and there is no need to travel to participate to a Ubuntu Developper Conference, you can participate from your place using IRC&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: neo</title>
		<link>http://www.thevarguy.com/2009/10/13/the-importance-of-free-software-in-the-cloud/comment-page-1/#comment-119551</link>
		<dc:creator>neo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 09:03:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, the tired old, we need &quot;secret sauce&quot; to make a good business argument that I have heard so many times from proprietary vendors. How does &quot;Ubuntu One&quot; match the philosophy of Ubuntu as stated in

http://www.ubuntu.com/community/ubuntustory/philosophy

You are clearly locking users in with a proprietary service that doesn&#039;t work on anything except the latest version of Ubuntu. If you don&#039;t see that, perhaps it is because you are being paid not to see that.

You explained yourself how DeltaCloud is similar to libvirt (which I might add Ubuntu is using but not contributing to).  Promoting the EC2 API via &quot;Ubuntu Enterprise Cloud&quot; certainly helps Amazon establish EC2 API as the &quot;Standard API&quot; instead of helping your customers move across public and private clouds regardless of the platform which is what DeltaCloud is attempting to. Alternatively if you value EC2 API more, the least you could is contribute to KVM.  KVM was definitely there to be &quot;seen&quot; for a long time.

I am not going to travel all the way to some Ubuntu developer conference to give you any input.  If you want my input, I am glad to give it here or on a mailing list.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, the tired old, we need &#8220;secret sauce&#8221; to make a good business argument that I have heard so many times from proprietary vendors. How does &#8220;Ubuntu One&#8221; match the philosophy of Ubuntu as stated in</p>
<p><a href="http://www.ubuntu.com/community/ubuntustory/philosophy" rel="nofollow">http://www.ubuntu.com/community/ubuntustory/philosophy</a></p>
<p>You are clearly locking users in with a proprietary service that doesn&#8217;t work on anything except the latest version of Ubuntu. If you don&#8217;t see that, perhaps it is because you are being paid not to see that.</p>
<p>You explained yourself how DeltaCloud is similar to libvirt (which I might add Ubuntu is using but not contributing to).  Promoting the EC2 API via &#8220;Ubuntu Enterprise Cloud&#8221; certainly helps Amazon establish EC2 API as the &#8220;Standard API&#8221; instead of helping your customers move across public and private clouds regardless of the platform which is what DeltaCloud is attempting to. Alternatively if you value EC2 API more, the least you could is contribute to KVM.  KVM was definitely there to be &#8220;seen&#8221; for a long time.</p>
<p>I am not going to travel all the way to some Ubuntu developer conference to give you any input.  If you want my input, I am glad to give it here or on a mailing list.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick Barcet</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nick Barcet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 08:08:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As I hate repeating myself, please see my reply to Anders at http://www.workswithu.com/2009/09/09/ubuntu-ready-for-the-clouds/#comments

Then, I&#039;ll bring to your attention that my statement &quot;even more so if the transparency regarding which technology is being used where, is not provided to the user&quot; fully applies to Ubuntu One an Landscape, and in the good sense, since both provide Open source clients which means that protocols and storage formats (if applicable) are available to anyone that would like to use them. Moreover, Ubuntu One uses S3 to store user&#039;s data, which means that you have a great deal of choices when it comes to which client to use to access your data. And since your data can also be replicated to as many clients as you wish, I wouldn&#039;t see how we would be locking in users anyway...

Finally, on the remark of &quot;tying ourselves to the EC2 API&quot;, do you really think that we are tying ourselves?  Please elaborate and explain to me what contributing to Delta Cloud would bring to our users at this point? The ability to use a proprietary tool that only runs on Windows?  Moreover, when we made our choice, at UDS, a year ago, Delta Cloud was nowhere to be seen.  We&#039;ll certainly re-evaluate our choice at our next UDS in November, and since these discussions are public, I invite you to join and help us make the right choices.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As I hate repeating myself, please see my reply to Anders at <a href="http://www.workswithu.com/2009/09/09/ubuntu-ready-for-the-clouds/#comments" rel="nofollow">http://www.workswithu.com/2009/09/09/ubuntu-ready-for-the-clouds/#comments</a></p>
<p>Then, I&#8217;ll bring to your attention that my statement &#8220;even more so if the transparency regarding which technology is being used where, is not provided to the user&#8221; fully applies to Ubuntu One an Landscape, and in the good sense, since both provide Open source clients which means that protocols and storage formats (if applicable) are available to anyone that would like to use them. Moreover, Ubuntu One uses S3 to store user&#8217;s data, which means that you have a great deal of choices when it comes to which client to use to access your data. And since your data can also be replicated to as many clients as you wish, I wouldn&#8217;t see how we would be locking in users anyway&#8230;</p>
<p>Finally, on the remark of &#8220;tying ourselves to the EC2 API&#8221;, do you really think that we are tying ourselves?  Please elaborate and explain to me what contributing to Delta Cloud would bring to our users at this point? The ability to use a proprietary tool that only runs on Windows?  Moreover, when we made our choice, at UDS, a year ago, Delta Cloud was nowhere to be seen.  We&#8217;ll certainly re-evaluate our choice at our next UDS in November, and since these discussions are public, I invite you to join and help us make the right choices.</p>
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		<title>By: neo</title>
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		<dc:creator>neo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 07:30:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nicolas,

It seems rather hypocritical that Canonical would launch proprietary clouds like Ubuntu One and Landscape and then talk about the importance of Free software in the cloud.

If you consider Red Hat DeltaCloud important, how about contributing to it instead of tying yourself to the EC2 API?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nicolas,</p>
<p>It seems rather hypocritical that Canonical would launch proprietary clouds like Ubuntu One and Landscape and then talk about the importance of Free software in the cloud.</p>
<p>If you consider Red Hat DeltaCloud important, how about contributing to it instead of tying yourself to the EC2 API?</p>
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		<title>By: aikiwolfie</title>
		<link>http://www.thevarguy.com/2009/10/13/the-importance-of-free-software-in-the-cloud/comment-page-1/#comment-119548</link>
		<dc:creator>aikiwolfie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 15:59:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is it a surprise Microsoft made promises it couldn&#039;t keep? Nope!

Is it a surprise a Microsoft product crashed in a disastrous manner leaving all the data supposedly irretrievable? Nope!

Is it a surprise now that at least two class action law suits have been filed in different parts of the US the defendants are now saying they might be able to get all that data back after all? Nope!

Am I tempted to use any Microsoft &quot;cloud&quot; services? Nope!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is it a surprise Microsoft made promises it couldn&#8217;t keep? Nope!</p>
<p>Is it a surprise a Microsoft product crashed in a disastrous manner leaving all the data supposedly irretrievable? Nope!</p>
<p>Is it a surprise now that at least two class action law suits have been filed in different parts of the US the defendants are now saying they might be able to get all that data back after all? Nope!</p>
<p>Am I tempted to use any Microsoft &#8220;cloud&#8221; services? Nope!</p>
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		<title>By: Simplicius</title>
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		<dc:creator>Simplicius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 18:05:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>After the recent Microsoft/Danger/Sidekick disaster, I wonder if Azure will turn into a Blue Cloud of Death.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After the recent Microsoft/Danger/Sidekick disaster, I wonder if Azure will turn into a Blue Cloud of Death.</p>
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		<title>By: aikiwolfie</title>
		<link>http://www.thevarguy.com/2009/10/13/the-importance-of-free-software-in-the-cloud/comment-page-1/#comment-119546</link>
		<dc:creator>aikiwolfie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 16:14:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Freedom software or open source software is more important. We need many eyes checking the code and many brains maintaining the code. Security is paramount in the cloud. It&#039;s so important we can&#039;t afford to have super secrete closed systems.

Just look at what happened to Microsofts&#039; Sidekick product.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Freedom software or open source software is more important. We need many eyes checking the code and many brains maintaining the code. Security is paramount in the cloud. It&#8217;s so important we can&#8217;t afford to have super secrete closed systems.</p>
<p>Just look at what happened to Microsofts&#8217; Sidekick product.</p>
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		<title>By: aikiwolfie</title>
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		<dc:creator>aikiwolfie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 16:15:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think free software is crucial if people in general are going to adopt cloud based services. It&#039;s the get them hooked and make them pay later approach. People expect thing to be free on-line. But they will pay if the services are good enough.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think free software is crucial if people in general are going to adopt cloud based services. It&#8217;s the get them hooked and make them pay later approach. People expect thing to be free on-line. But they will pay if the services are good enough.</p>
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