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	<title>Comments on: Virtual Appliances as Debian Packages on Ubuntu</title>
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		<title>By: Juju</title>
		<link>http://www.thevarguy.com/2009/11/16/virtual-appliances-as-debian-packages-on-ubuntu/comment-page-1/#comment-119862</link>
		<dc:creator>Juju</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jan 2010 17:42:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>See also an innovative appliance factory, <a href="http://www.usharesoft.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.usharesoft.com</a>.</p>
<p>You will be able to build and deploy virtual appliance in few clicks !!</p>
<p>Access to a wide range of open source OSs and projects catalogue. Join a fast growing community and share your favorite appliance with your colleagues.</p>
<p>The platform manages the life cycle of your virtual appliance : access to a private software appliance library, control versioning, updates and cloning.</p>
<p>The company is ramping up to the cloud!!!</p>
<p>Free account available</p>
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		<title>By: lefty.crupps</title>
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		<dc:creator>lefty.crupps</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 16:11:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They&#039;re not Debian packages if they&#039;re not running on Debian, regardless of the .deb extension (which really should be changed to .ubu IMHO)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They&#8217;re not Debian packages if they&#8217;re not running on Debian, regardless of the .deb extension (which really should be changed to .ubu IMHO)</p>
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		<title>By: Liraz Siri</title>
		<link>http://www.thevarguy.com/2009/11/16/virtual-appliances-as-debian-packages-on-ubuntu/comment-page-1/#comment-119860</link>
		<dc:creator>Liraz Siri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 16:11:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@walt Regarding your question, what is a virtual appliance see here:

http://www.turnkeylinux.org/virtual-appliance

I&#039;m kind of puzzled that Chris would write a post about Ubuntu virtual appliances and not mention TurnKey Linux, an Ubuntu based virtual appliance library with over 40 Ubuntu based appliances:

http://www.turnkeylinux.org/

You can deploy those. Right now. On bare metal, virtual machines and in the cloud.

Debian packages were never really designed for this sort of thing and trying to force them into that role raises the bar by making things overly complicated.

Incidentally, we&#039;ve given some thought to getting the community more involved with appliance development recently released TKLPatch, a simple way to customize and extend any appliance in the TurnKey Linux virtual
appliance library. It&#039;s extremely simple and should work for non-TurnKey appliances as well:

http://www.turnkeylinux.org/docs/tklpatch

New appliances can be built as patches to the closest starting point in the library (e.g., TurnKey Core, LAMP, Django, Rails, Tomcat).

BTW, we&#039;re building out TurnKey Linux as a specialized extension of the Ubuntu community that focuses on appliance development. Some people confuse the project for a fork but if you take a look at an appliance under the hood you&#039;ll see it is pretty much a standard installation of Ubuntu that has been customized for a particular usage scenario. We just give users a better starting point. Like Ubuntu, TurnKey Linux is 100% open source.

Anyhow, we&#039;ve invested a ton of effort into figuring out all of the issues and we&#039;d like to invite any one interested in appliance development to collaborate with us. Reinventing the wheel is such a poor use of the community&#039;s resources.

Once we add an appliance to the project we assume the burden of maintaining it at the appliance level with regular updates. This frees you to focus on more interesting tasks (e.g., improving quality of integration, software sub-components).

Cheers
Liraz Siri</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@walt Regarding your question, what is a virtual appliance see here:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.turnkeylinux.org/virtual-appliance" rel="nofollow">http://www.turnkeylinux.org/virtual-appliance</a></p>
<p>I&#8217;m kind of puzzled that Chris would write a post about Ubuntu virtual appliances and not mention TurnKey Linux, an Ubuntu based virtual appliance library with over 40 Ubuntu based appliances:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.turnkeylinux.org/" rel="nofollow">http://www.turnkeylinux.org/</a></p>
<p>You can deploy those. Right now. On bare metal, virtual machines and in the cloud.</p>
<p>Debian packages were never really designed for this sort of thing and trying to force them into that role raises the bar by making things overly complicated.</p>
<p>Incidentally, we&#8217;ve given some thought to getting the community more involved with appliance development recently released TKLPatch, a simple way to customize and extend any appliance in the TurnKey Linux virtual<br />
appliance library. It&#8217;s extremely simple and should work for non-TurnKey appliances as well:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.turnkeylinux.org/docs/tklpatch" rel="nofollow">http://www.turnkeylinux.org/docs/tklpatch</a></p>
<p>New appliances can be built as patches to the closest starting point in the library (e.g., TurnKey Core, LAMP, Django, Rails, Tomcat).</p>
<p>BTW, we&#8217;re building out TurnKey Linux as a specialized extension of the Ubuntu community that focuses on appliance development. Some people confuse the project for a fork but if you take a look at an appliance under the hood you&#8217;ll see it is pretty much a standard installation of Ubuntu that has been customized for a particular usage scenario. We just give users a better starting point. Like Ubuntu, TurnKey Linux is 100% open source.</p>
<p>Anyhow, we&#8217;ve invested a ton of effort into figuring out all of the issues and we&#8217;d like to invite any one interested in appliance development to collaborate with us. Reinventing the wheel is such a poor use of the community&#8217;s resources.</p>
<p>Once we add an appliance to the project we assume the burden of maintaining it at the appliance level with regular updates. This frees you to focus on more interesting tasks (e.g., improving quality of integration, software sub-components).</p>
<p>Cheers<br />
Liraz Siri</p>
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		<title>By: Christopher Tozzi</title>
		<link>http://www.thevarguy.com/2009/11/16/virtual-appliances-as-debian-packages-on-ubuntu/comment-page-1/#comment-119859</link>
		<dc:creator>Christopher Tozzi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 15:51:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Walt: this post is aimed more at the server audience than desktop users, so I wouldn&#039;t expect everyone to know what a virtual appliance is if they&#039;re not using Ubuntu on servers.  But for a definition, Wikipedia&#039;s article is good: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtual_appliance.

Thanks for the tip on stronger lead-in sentences; I&#039;ll try to focus more on that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Walt: this post is aimed more at the server audience than desktop users, so I wouldn&#8217;t expect everyone to know what a virtual appliance is if they&#8217;re not using Ubuntu on servers.  But for a definition, Wikipedia&#8217;s article is good: <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtual_appliance" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtual_appliance</a>.</p>
<p>Thanks for the tip on stronger lead-in sentences; I&#8217;ll try to focus more on that.</p>
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		<title>By: walt</title>
		<link>http://www.thevarguy.com/2009/11/16/virtual-appliances-as-debian-packages-on-ubuntu/comment-page-1/#comment-119858</link>
		<dc:creator>walt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 15:26:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hum...
Christopher, what is a virtual appliance?
Might be a dumb question.
I read all of your articles and haven&#039;t had a problem understanding them, but a lead-in sentence would help me alot.
Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hum&#8230;<br />
Christopher, what is a virtual appliance?<br />
Might be a dumb question.<br />
I read all of your articles and haven&#8217;t had a problem understanding them, but a lead-in sentence would help me alot.<br />
Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Roy (linuxcanuck) 's status on Tuesday, 17-Nov-09 14:36:00 UTC - Identi.ca</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roy (linuxcanuck) 's status on Tuesday, 17-Nov-09 14:36:00 UTC - Identi.ca</dc:creator>
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