F-Spot, get rid of it.
GIMP I didn’t use much, and be downloaded anyway.

GIMP is fantastic, but if people want a CD size image, cut have to be made.

Its political for some but not for others. For the people making the decision regarding mono inclusion, is it political for them? Doubtful.

But there are technical issues as well, I would encourage you to focus on anything but the political issue if your goal is to actually get anyone to change their mind and to see policy changed.

As a card carrying “trouble maker” I think I’m qualified to impart the following wisdom. Once differences of opinion concerning political issues are identified, focusing on the political is a sure fire way to make sure you don’t change anyone’s mind. You have to accept that the people making decisions with regard to mono’s inclusion in Ubuntu do not share your political viewpoint and thus will not be influenced by political arguments.

Raising political arguments can sway people to choose sides that are still on the fence. But once a side is chosen, political arguments only harden points of view. And in this discussion, popular opinion doesn’t really matter much. You’d have to wage a pretty brutal popular opinion campaign against Ubuntu decision making for popular opinion to be decisive. I don’t think anyone in the Ubuntu community has the stomach to wage that sort of internal political fight inside their own community over mono and its guaranteed to be rather destructive.

At this point if you want to influence decision making concerning mono, you’ll have to find a non-political argument that speaks to other priorities such as space savings on the livecd if mono is removed. If Ubuntu took out all mono from their livecd and replaced f-spot with gthumb and replaced tomboy with gnote… how much smaller would the livecd be?

-jef

@Jeff: thanks a lot for the clarification. I also found a Fedora mailing list along these lines …

C# is a great language, and Mono is a great library. Many developers today happily write code in C#.

I just opened up the new(2.10.11?) gThumb but still didn’t see a way to fluidly move through my database of many thousands of photos from the last several years. F-Spot has its quirks, but it presents a good way to move around in your photos regardless of what directory you’ve placed them in.
If you don’t like the way F-Spot directs where photos are stored, then make your own “Photos” folder, move your photos from your camera into folders in there “Photos” manually using Nautilus, and in F-Spot just tell it to rescan/reimport from your “Photos” folder and it’ll leave the photos where they are on disk but recognize them in your photo database. It’s great.

You don’t have to invoke difficult legal issues for mono to be problematic for distributions. Every high language framework that you build applications on has a system resource cost…and mono’s resource burn is pretty high considering the very narrow application landscape it supports. Sure there are fans of banshee and tomboy or f-spot..but compared to the vast array of python based applications or java apps..mono just isn’t very compelling a framework to support from an applications stand point.

For mono to really shine as a robust application framework, there is a need for a project like OLPC, Moblin or Android or Maemo that makes mono a foundational framework on which userspace applications are built..instead of python or java. And I don’t know of any project that is trying to make mono a foundational technology as part of interface design.

-jef

I really don’t see why this should be necessary to remove Mono. In a matter of facts – I believe we should embrace it. No – I am not a ex-MS Employee, but I really love the C# language. Mono helps us developers who love C# to make cross-platform apps and to make i clear – It does an excellent job.

I have some points i want to make clear:

1) Mono does not make applications slow. Sure some apps is a litter slower, but mono can accelerate apps tremendous. Mono can use multiply cpu cores without me making any changes to the code itself. Mono is also making sure that memory and dispose is done right ! This is extremely important for us who build very large apps

2) To me it seems like Microsoft is reaching out to us developers and users of linux so we all can come to together and make excellent apps. Both parts will benefit greatly from mono if we accept it.

Please rethink your statement about mono.

Also: it looks like Fedora is removing Mono
http://osgeex.blogspot.com/2009/07/fedora-my-new-distro-of-choice.html