Comments on: Canonical Continues Ubuntu Server Edition Push http://www.thevarguy.com/2009/12/15/canonical-continues-ubuntu-server-edition-push/ Channel News, Reseller News and Channel Partner Programs Fri, 10 Feb 2012 12:00:23 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Joe Panettieri http://www.thevarguy.com/2009/12/15/canonical-continues-ubuntu-server-edition-push/comment-page-1/#comment-106402 Joe Panettieri Thu, 17 Dec 2009 14:21:06 +0000 http://www.thevarguy.com/?p=6568#comment-106402 Lawrence: Canonical's John Pugh in September of October 2009 told me the company had no plans to put a GUI on the server... Lawrence: Canonical’s John Pugh in September of October 2009 told me the company had no plans to put a GUI on the server…

]]> By: Etienne http://www.thevarguy.com/2009/12/15/canonical-continues-ubuntu-server-edition-push/comment-page-1/#comment-106401 Etienne Thu, 17 Dec 2009 05:21:38 +0000 http://www.thevarguy.com/?p=6568#comment-106401 Tachyon : I can webmin to a RedHat’ish system, I can use yast2 on SUSE. On Ubuntu what do I get? You can install webmin too on Ubuntu. It's not a one click install but it's fairly easy to do: http://havetheknowhow.com/Configure-the-server/Install-Webmin.html Doesn't seem to be a big deal to me or I don't get your point. Tachyon : I can webmin to a RedHat’ish system, I can use yast2 on SUSE. On Ubuntu what do I get?

You can install webmin too on Ubuntu. It’s not a one click install but it’s fairly easy to do: http://havetheknowhow.com/Configure-the-server/Install-Webmin.html

Doesn’t seem to be a big deal to me or I don’t get your point.

]]> By: Lawrence D'Oliveiro http://www.thevarguy.com/2009/12/15/canonical-continues-ubuntu-server-edition-push/comment-page-1/#comment-106398 Lawrence D'Oliveiro Thu, 17 Dec 2009 03:57:16 +0000 http://www.thevarguy.com/?p=6568#comment-106398 Are GUI tools really important in a server? I ask because I do a lot of server admin work remotely, and a GUI just isn’t practical for that. I rely on command-line tools and scripts invoked via SSH. Are GUI tools really important in a server? I ask because I do a lot of server admin work remotely, and a GUI just isn’t practical for that. I rely on command-line tools and scripts invoked via SSH.

]]> By: The VAR Guy http://www.thevarguy.com/2009/12/15/canonical-continues-ubuntu-server-edition-push/comment-page-1/#comment-106394 The VAR Guy Wed, 16 Dec 2009 21:44:56 +0000 http://www.thevarguy.com/?p=6568#comment-106394 Tachyon@7: The VAR Guy welcomes your constructive criticism regarding Ubuntu. Would Canonical's Landscape potentially resolve your concerns? Tachyon@7: The VAR Guy welcomes your constructive criticism regarding Ubuntu. Would Canonical’s Landscape potentially resolve your concerns?

]]> By: The VAR Guy http://www.thevarguy.com/2009/12/15/canonical-continues-ubuntu-server-edition-push/comment-page-1/#comment-106393 The VAR Guy Wed, 16 Dec 2009 21:43:51 +0000 http://www.thevarguy.com/?p=6568#comment-106393 Zac: Thanks for the link. The VAR Guy will check it out. -TVG Zac: Thanks for the link. The VAR Guy will check it out.
-TVG

]]> By: Zac http://www.thevarguy.com/2009/12/15/canonical-continues-ubuntu-server-edition-push/comment-page-1/#comment-106392 Zac Wed, 16 Dec 2009 21:38:25 +0000 http://www.thevarguy.com/?p=6568#comment-106392 @ Jack/The VAR Guy. Not sure how up-to-date the info is but the stats regarding linode can be found on the about us page on linode's website: http://www.linode.com/about/ @ Jack/The VAR Guy. Not sure how up-to-date the info is but the stats regarding linode can be found on the about us page on linode’s website: http://www.linode.com/about/

]]> By: Tachyon http://www.thevarguy.com/2009/12/15/canonical-continues-ubuntu-server-edition-push/comment-page-1/#comment-106391 Tachyon Wed, 16 Dec 2009 20:41:31 +0000 http://www.thevarguy.com/?p=6568#comment-106391 Ubuntu is in no way ready for the server room. First and foremost, where are the admin tools? Where's the single interface for the administration and configuration of the system? I can webmin to a RedHat'ish system, I can use yast2 on SUSE. On Ubuntu what do I get? There are plenty of other issues with Ubuntu as a server, but this one alone is a showstopper. The REAL, original Tachyon Accept no substitutes. Ubuntu is in no way ready for the server room.
First and foremost, where are the admin tools?
Where’s the single interface for the administration and configuration of the system?
I can webmin to a RedHat’ish system, I can use yast2 on SUSE. On Ubuntu what do I get?
There are plenty of other issues with Ubuntu as a server, but this one alone is a showstopper.

The REAL, original Tachyon
Accept no substitutes.

]]> By: Jef Spaleta http://www.thevarguy.com/2009/12/15/canonical-continues-ubuntu-server-edition-push/comment-page-1/#comment-106385 Jef Spaleta Wed, 16 Dec 2009 18:20:20 +0000 http://www.thevarguy.com/?p=6568#comment-106385 The Var Guy: You need to differentiate server deployment momentum from revenue momentum. Why someone pays money to fire up an Ubuntu server appliance at Linnode or on EC2 how much of that money flows back to Canonical? Its great that Ubuntu is out there as another no-cost option for vendors like Linnode and Amazon to build service revenue on....but is Canonical making any money at all.. is any of that utility service revenue coming back to pay Ubuntu core developer salaries? People are paying real money to run Ubuntu instances in utility computing scenarios. People clearly value the utility computing services enough to pay for them. But who values Ubuntu enough or any associated Canonical service to pay for them? If Ubuntu wasn't there as the zero cost option... would the same users be using Debian or CentOS? Shuttleworth's cash pile seems to have unlocked a lot of revenue opportunity for...other companies who are much more agile at providing the actual services that customers. How much of that financial success is flowing back into Canonical via revenue sharing agreements? -jef The Var Guy:

You need to differentiate server deployment momentum from revenue momentum.

Why someone pays money to fire up an Ubuntu server appliance at Linnode or on EC2 how much of that money flows back to Canonical? Its great that Ubuntu is out there as another no-cost option for vendors like Linnode and Amazon to build service revenue on….but is Canonical making any money at all.. is any of that utility service revenue coming back to pay Ubuntu core developer salaries?

People are paying real money to run Ubuntu instances in utility computing scenarios. People clearly value the utility computing services enough to pay for them. But who values Ubuntu enough or any associated Canonical service to pay for them? If Ubuntu wasn’t there as the zero cost option… would the same users be using Debian or CentOS?

Shuttleworth’s cash pile seems to have unlocked a lot of revenue opportunity for…other companies who are much more agile at providing the actual services that customers. How much of that financial success is flowing back into Canonical via revenue sharing agreements?

-jef

]]> By: The VAR Guy http://www.thevarguy.com/2009/12/15/canonical-continues-ubuntu-server-edition-push/comment-page-1/#comment-106382 The VAR Guy Wed, 16 Dec 2009 13:48:03 +0000 http://www.thevarguy.com/?p=6568#comment-106382 Scott: The VAR Guy isn't familiar with the alleged network management GUI issues you point out. But our resident blogger will keep your point in mind and ask Canonical about it during an upcoming briefing. No doubt, RHEL has a lot of loyal followers and Canonical will need to work overtime to earn that type of server momentum... -TVG Scott: The VAR Guy isn’t familiar with the alleged network management GUI issues you point out. But our resident blogger will keep your point in mind and ask Canonical about it during an upcoming briefing. No doubt, RHEL has a lot of loyal followers and Canonical will need to work overtime to earn that type of server momentum…
-TVG

]]> By: Scott Marlowe http://www.thevarguy.com/2009/12/15/canonical-continues-ubuntu-server-edition-push/comment-page-1/#comment-106375 Scott Marlowe Wed, 16 Dec 2009 06:08:14 +0000 http://www.thevarguy.com/?p=6568#comment-106375 The real issue is that Canonical doesn't seem to actually treat and LTS edition like an LTS edition. For instance, Ubuntu 8.04LTS had broken networking management GUIs. The answer from Canonical was that they weren't going to fix it because it's an LTS. You don't put off fixing things because it's an LTS, you put off changing things. If it's broken, you fix it, not recommend going to the next NON-LTS version. Until Canonical figures out how LTS should work, I'll stick with Centos / RHEL for real LTS... The real issue is that Canonical doesn’t seem to actually treat and LTS edition like an LTS edition. For instance, Ubuntu 8.04LTS had broken networking management GUIs. The answer from Canonical was that they weren’t going to fix it because it’s an LTS.

You don’t put off fixing things because it’s an LTS, you put off changing things. If it’s broken, you fix it, not recommend going to the next NON-LTS version.

Until Canonical figures out how LTS should work, I’ll stick with Centos / RHEL for real LTS…

]]> By: The VAR Guy http://www.thevarguy.com/2009/12/15/canonical-continues-ubuntu-server-edition-push/comment-page-1/#comment-106373 The VAR Guy Wed, 16 Dec 2009 03:11:27 +0000 http://www.thevarguy.com/?p=6568#comment-106373 Ram@1: You've got The VAR Guy intrigued. Got more info? Jack@2: Ditto your comment. -TVG Ram@1: You’ve got The VAR Guy intrigued. Got more info?
Jack@2: Ditto your comment.
-TVG

]]> By: Jack Sonwat http://www.thevarguy.com/2009/12/15/canonical-continues-ubuntu-server-edition-push/comment-page-1/#comment-106372 Jack Sonwat Wed, 16 Dec 2009 02:41:22 +0000 http://www.thevarguy.com/?p=6568#comment-106372 @Ram: interesting stuff about linode... Link? @Ram: interesting stuff about linode… Link?

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