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	<title>Comments on: Canonical Hires Matt Asay As Chief Operating Officer</title>
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		<title>By: Methodize</title>
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		<dc:creator>Methodize</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jun 2010 20:35:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Loss-making at such scale is indeed a rightful concern to all Ubuntu warriors. I&#039;d LOVE to see the books.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Loss-making at such scale is indeed a rightful concern to all Ubuntu warriors. I&#8217;d LOVE to see the books.</p>
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		<title>By: Leo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Feb 2010 17:25:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am really shocked! Matt Assay &lt;b&gt;just discovered Desktop Linux&lt;/b&gt;!

http://news.cnet.com/8301-13505_3-10455816-16.html?part=rss&amp;tag=feed&amp;subj=TheOpenRoad

I don&#039;t think this kind of hiring can be very good for the morale of the Canonical team. Oh well!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am really shocked! Matt Assay <b>just discovered Desktop Linux</b>!</p>
<p><a href="http://news.cnet.com/8301-13505_3-10455816-16.html?part=rss&#038;tag=feed&#038;subj=TheOpenRoad" rel="nofollow">http://news.cnet.com/8301-13505_3-10455816-16.html?part=rss&#038;tag=feed&#038;subj=TheOpenRoad</a></p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think this kind of hiring can be very good for the morale of the Canonical team. Oh well!</p>
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		<title>By: Jef Spaleta</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jef Spaleta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Feb 2010 18:26:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ArtInvent@9+12:

Canonical has yet to show that their business model of completely optional support offerings is actually sustainable. 6 years into the Canonical business experiment. Canonical as of the December 2009 announcement of the CEO change is still running at a loss according to on record statements from Canonical execs (and Shuttleworth..who I guess is technically no longer an executive in the technical sense of the word).

Deployment numbers != profitability.  If Canonical&#039;s optional services hold no value to users then it doesn&#039;t matter how large a userbase Ubuntu has...people aren&#039;t going to buy the optional services.  Who&#039;s buying Landscape subscriptions? Who&#039;s buying annual technical support contracts? Who&#039;s buying engineering consulting? Who in the Ubuntu userbase is going to standup and say without reservation that they pay money to Canonical and get good service value in return?   I don&#039;t see many customer testimonials. I see a lot of user testimonials. I see a lot of partner testimonials...but where are Canonical&#039;s customers? Because its the strength of the customerbase that define the health a business model.

-jef</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ArtInvent@9+12:</p>
<p>Canonical has yet to show that their business model of completely optional support offerings is actually sustainable. 6 years into the Canonical business experiment. Canonical as of the December 2009 announcement of the CEO change is still running at a loss according to on record statements from Canonical execs (and Shuttleworth..who I guess is technically no longer an executive in the technical sense of the word).</p>
<p>Deployment numbers != profitability.  If Canonical&#8217;s optional services hold no value to users then it doesn&#8217;t matter how large a userbase Ubuntu has&#8230;people aren&#8217;t going to buy the optional services.  Who&#8217;s buying Landscape subscriptions? Who&#8217;s buying annual technical support contracts? Who&#8217;s buying engineering consulting? Who in the Ubuntu userbase is going to standup and say without reservation that they pay money to Canonical and get good service value in return?   I don&#8217;t see many customer testimonials. I see a lot of user testimonials. I see a lot of partner testimonials&#8230;but where are Canonical&#8217;s customers? Because its the strength of the customerbase that define the health a business model.</p>
<p>-jef</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Panettieri</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe Panettieri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Feb 2010 17:55:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ryan@8: Sorry about that error. Thanks for pointing it out. I made the correction.
-jp</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ryan@8: Sorry about that error. Thanks for pointing it out. I made the correction.<br />
-jp</p>
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		<title>By: Jef Spaleta</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jef Spaleta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Feb 2010 17:08:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jim:
Matt&#039;s job won&#039;t be to make Ubuntu a better OS. Matt&#039;s job will be to make Canonical a better business.  There a big difference between those two tasks. There&#039;s a huge difference.

-jef</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jim:<br />
Matt&#8217;s job won&#8217;t be to make Ubuntu a better OS. Matt&#8217;s job will be to make Canonical a better business.  There a big difference between those two tasks. There&#8217;s a huge difference.</p>
<p>-jef</p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Feb 2010 07:22:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I echo what ArtInvent had said about Matt Asay.

Look at this guy&#039;s post in Mar 2008. Can you believe such a newbie in Ubuntu can now be the COO in Canonical?

http://news.cnet.com/8301-13505_3-9889681-16.html

I used to follow his blog for a while as he is the only one in Cnet who focused on writing about open source. But I stopped following him sometime ago because I found his articles lack of insight. Frankly, I seriously doubt Matt has the ability to make Ubuntu a better OS. As a Ubuntu user, though, I do hope he can prove me wrong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I echo what ArtInvent had said about Matt Asay.</p>
<p>Look at this guy&#8217;s post in Mar 2008. Can you believe such a newbie in Ubuntu can now be the COO in Canonical?</p>
<p><a href="http://news.cnet.com/8301-13505_3-9889681-16.html" rel="nofollow">http://news.cnet.com/8301-13505_3-9889681-16.html</a></p>
<p>I used to follow his blog for a while as he is the only one in Cnet who focused on writing about open source. But I stopped following him sometime ago because I found his articles lack of insight. Frankly, I seriously doubt Matt has the ability to make Ubuntu a better OS. As a Ubuntu user, though, I do hope he can prove me wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: Leo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2010 20:03:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, it seems like a technicality to me, what they sell you is the support. The reason they want you to use the RHEL binaries is that they have control over those, I&#039;d think. Big corporations love that, and they &quot;validate&quot; a given platform, and that&#039;s all people can do in the corporate machines, the blessed binaries. I think RedHat is recognizing that.

But I understand that they don&#039;t distribute these binaries free of charge (something Ubuntu I think promised to do for ever), and that, I agree, is kind of a biggie. It makes it much simpler for someone with no cash to run the exact same binaries as the ones buying support. My point is that people don&#039;t pay for the binaries, but for the validation/support. So, in my view, Red Hat would loose nothing if they distributed RHEL for free, but it&#039;s probably a bit late for them to change that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, it seems like a technicality to me, what they sell you is the support. The reason they want you to use the RHEL binaries is that they have control over those, I&#8217;d think. Big corporations love that, and they &#8220;validate&#8221; a given platform, and that&#8217;s all people can do in the corporate machines, the blessed binaries. I think RedHat is recognizing that.</p>
<p>But I understand that they don&#8217;t distribute these binaries free of charge (something Ubuntu I think promised to do for ever), and that, I agree, is kind of a biggie. It makes it much simpler for someone with no cash to run the exact same binaries as the ones buying support. My point is that people don&#8217;t pay for the binaries, but for the validation/support. So, in my view, Red Hat would loose nothing if they distributed RHEL for free, but it&#8217;s probably a bit late for them to change that.</p>
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		<title>By: ArtInvent</title>
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		<dc:creator>ArtInvent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2010 19:36:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have nothing against Red Hat, they have a great product and a lot of success and their position in open source is unassailable. But their monetization business model is very different from Ubuntu&#039;s and not just because one is more server and the other is more desktop. CentOS may be fantastic but it&#039;s not RHEL. You have to buy RHEL. If you install and use CentOS you are not going to be able to just go and call Red Hat and get them to support and service that, paid or otherwise. With Ubuntu, there is no such distinction. Install the full official of Ubuntu with no restrictions, and if you decide you need paid support: boom, it&#039;s available. This is not just a technicality, it&#039;s a substantially different approach.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have nothing against Red Hat, they have a great product and a lot of success and their position in open source is unassailable. But their monetization business model is very different from Ubuntu&#8217;s and not just because one is more server and the other is more desktop. CentOS may be fantastic but it&#8217;s not RHEL. You have to buy RHEL. If you install and use CentOS you are not going to be able to just go and call Red Hat and get them to support and service that, paid or otherwise. With Ubuntu, there is no such distinction. Install the full official of Ubuntu with no restrictions, and if you decide you need paid support: boom, it&#8217;s available. This is not just a technicality, it&#8217;s a substantially different approach.</p>
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		<title>By: Leo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2010 18:38:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Errata: on of the sentences I typed above was a mess: &quot;The difference with Ubuntu is that RedHat has been traditional service, because they realized it is hard to sell desktop support for home users. &quot;

What I meant to say is that RedHat has been focused on the traditional server space, basically selling a much better Unix for less. They have done that because they realized that it is hard to make money out of home users directly (by selling support, for instance, or nicely packaged software).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Errata: on of the sentences I typed above was a mess: &#8220;The difference with Ubuntu is that RedHat has been traditional service, because they realized it is hard to sell desktop support for home users. &#8221;</p>
<p>What I meant to say is that RedHat has been focused on the traditional server space, basically selling a much better Unix for less. They have done that because they realized that it is hard to make money out of home users directly (by selling support, for instance, or nicely packaged software).</p>
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		<title>By: Leo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2010 14:58:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks ArtInvent for the insight. The thing I don&#039;t quite follow is your comment about Red Hat, which to me is THE example of selling OS support (not the software stack). You can have access to all their source code, which is what Cent OS is all about. Actually, Red Hat is to me the perfect example of a successful truly Open Source business.

The difference with Ubuntu is that RedHat has been traditional service, because they realized it is hard to sell desktop support for home users. But there are still some markets to make a _lot_ of money off of:

* corporate desktops
* cloud computing

And, not with support, but in the form of customization contracts to produce OEM versions and support them via specialized repositories, you also have

* netbooks, umpc/s
* embedded
* nettops

Oh well, hope this move doesn&#039;t go the wrong way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks ArtInvent for the insight. The thing I don&#8217;t quite follow is your comment about Red Hat, which to me is THE example of selling OS support (not the software stack). You can have access to all their source code, which is what Cent OS is all about. Actually, Red Hat is to me the perfect example of a successful truly Open Source business.</p>
<p>The difference with Ubuntu is that RedHat has been traditional service, because they realized it is hard to sell desktop support for home users. But there are still some markets to make a _lot_ of money off of:</p>
<p>* corporate desktops<br />
* cloud computing</p>
<p>And, not with support, but in the form of customization contracts to produce OEM versions and support them via specialized repositories, you also have</p>
<p>* netbooks, umpc/s<br />
* embedded<br />
* nettops</p>
<p>Oh well, hope this move doesn&#8217;t go the wrong way.</p>
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		<title>By: ArtInvent</title>
		<link>http://www.thevarguy.com/2010/02/05/canonical-hires-matt-asay-as-chief-operating-officer/comment-page-1/#comment-120389</link>
		<dc:creator>ArtInvent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 22:00:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve followed Matt&#039;s column pretty much since the beginning. For an open source &#039;expert&#039; it was quite surprising that he hadn&#039;t even tried Ubuntu or used Linux in any meaningful way at all until about 18 months ago, which he wrote about in his blog. Also for quite a while he seemed particularly enamored of all things Apple - and a more closed source and closed everything company one would be hard pressed to find. Finally, numerous posts of his cast Canonical and Ubuntu and other companies with similar business models in a rather negative light from a business point of view: he really seemed incapable of conceiving that giving away the full software stack and charging only for service was a viable business model. (And it&#039;s certainly not Alfresco&#039;s model.)

So frankly it&#039;s surprising that he&#039;s now in a senior management position at Canonical. Now, I&#039;m not at all acquainted with Matt and really don&#039;t know what exactly his responsibilities were at Alfresco. Obviously he has ability and talents. But I&#039;m afraid I do have to wonder about his grasp of the entire open source ethos and m.o. of a project like Ubuntu. I certainly hope, in particular, that this doesn&#039;t mean that Canonical is considering a move away from their commitment to &#039;Free and Open Source always&#039; for Ubuntu in all it&#039;s permutations. We already have Red Hat. Ubuntu is different.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve followed Matt&#8217;s column pretty much since the beginning. For an open source &#8216;expert&#8217; it was quite surprising that he hadn&#8217;t even tried Ubuntu or used Linux in any meaningful way at all until about 18 months ago, which he wrote about in his blog. Also for quite a while he seemed particularly enamored of all things Apple &#8211; and a more closed source and closed everything company one would be hard pressed to find. Finally, numerous posts of his cast Canonical and Ubuntu and other companies with similar business models in a rather negative light from a business point of view: he really seemed incapable of conceiving that giving away the full software stack and charging only for service was a viable business model. (And it&#8217;s certainly not Alfresco&#8217;s model.)</p>
<p>So frankly it&#8217;s surprising that he&#8217;s now in a senior management position at Canonical. Now, I&#8217;m not at all acquainted with Matt and really don&#8217;t know what exactly his responsibilities were at Alfresco. Obviously he has ability and talents. But I&#8217;m afraid I do have to wonder about his grasp of the entire open source ethos and m.o. of a project like Ubuntu. I certainly hope, in particular, that this doesn&#8217;t mean that Canonical is considering a move away from their commitment to &#8216;Free and Open Source always&#8217; for Ubuntu in all it&#8217;s permutations. We already have Red Hat. Ubuntu is different.</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan Steele</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ryan Steele</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 20:31:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Landesk? You mean Landscape, right?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Landesk? You mean Landscape, right?</p>
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