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		<title>By: The VAR Guy</title>
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		<dc:creator>The VAR Guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jul 2010 13:29:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Binary@18: The VAR Guy enjoys your sarcasm and respects the valid points you&#039;ve raised. Keep &#039;em coming.

Daniel@19: The VAR Guy isn&#039;t surprised that XP still dominates 85% of the Windows installed base. Windows 7 is still fairly new and Vista was, um, a blunder. Microsoft has more than 1 billion systems to potentially update... Windows 7 is off to a strong start and seems respected by many Microsoft partners/customers. That said, Microsoft certainly faces heated competition. Thanks for reading.

FrankM@20: Please keep The VAR Guy posted as you continue to embrace various SaaS strategies. You sound like you&#039;re ahead of the pack...

Franki@21: Your points about Android are undeniable. Seems like hardware makers are lining up behind Android on smart phones and tablets... though Steve Ballmer says Windows 7 tablets and Windows Phone 7 will show momentum late this year... Hmmm...

Grant@22: The VAR Guy agrees that Microsoft often undercuts rivals on price. But in the case of Hyper-V, it&#039;s a fairly new product/market for Microsoft. So low-ball pricing doesn&#039;t hurt Microsoft&#039;s virtualization margins because the company doesn&#039;t have a large virtualization installed base to protect.

All: The VAR Guy has truly enjoyed this dialog.
-TVG</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Binary@18: The VAR Guy enjoys your sarcasm and respects the valid points you&#8217;ve raised. Keep &#8216;em coming.</p>
<p>Daniel@19: The VAR Guy isn&#8217;t surprised that XP still dominates 85% of the Windows installed base. Windows 7 is still fairly new and Vista was, um, a blunder. Microsoft has more than 1 billion systems to potentially update&#8230; Windows 7 is off to a strong start and seems respected by many Microsoft partners/customers. That said, Microsoft certainly faces heated competition. Thanks for reading.</p>
<p>FrankM@20: Please keep The VAR Guy posted as you continue to embrace various SaaS strategies. You sound like you&#8217;re ahead of the pack&#8230;</p>
<p>Franki@21: Your points about Android are undeniable. Seems like hardware makers are lining up behind Android on smart phones and tablets&#8230; though Steve Ballmer says Windows 7 tablets and Windows Phone 7 will show momentum late this year&#8230; Hmmm&#8230;</p>
<p>Grant@22: The VAR Guy agrees that Microsoft often undercuts rivals on price. But in the case of Hyper-V, it&#8217;s a fairly new product/market for Microsoft. So low-ball pricing doesn&#8217;t hurt Microsoft&#8217;s virtualization margins because the company doesn&#8217;t have a large virtualization installed base to protect.</p>
<p>All: The VAR Guy has truly enjoyed this dialog.<br />
-TVG</p>
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		<title>By: Grant</title>
		<link>http://www.thevarguy.com/2010/07/14/microsoft-coo-paints-google-as-evil-empire/comment-page-1/#comment-111945</link>
		<dc:creator>Grant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jul 2010 00:48:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;This speech seems to be more how Microsoft would like the future to turn out rather than the current state of affairs.&quot;

Since I first posted last week, I see the news is tending to confim impressions that this is somewhat wishful thinking. First the Infoworld review of &#039;Windows Phone 7&#039; was very critical - their advice was for MS to abandon it. 
I don&#039;t know/care much about VMWare as mentioned as &#039;VMware vs. Microsoft Hyper-V&#039; but I noticed The Register story today that VMWare appear to still be growing - and that MS are giving away Hyper-V to compete. In any market, if MS are having to give software away or sell it dirt cheap (like XP on netbooks), then they are looking at decreasing profit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;This speech seems to be more how Microsoft would like the future to turn out rather than the current state of affairs.&#8221;</p>
<p>Since I first posted last week, I see the news is tending to confim impressions that this is somewhat wishful thinking. First the Infoworld review of &#8216;Windows Phone 7&#8242; was very critical &#8211; their advice was for MS to abandon it.<br />
I don&#8217;t know/care much about VMWare as mentioned as &#8216;VMware vs. Microsoft Hyper-V&#8217; but I noticed The Register story today that VMWare appear to still be growing &#8211; and that MS are giving away Hyper-V to compete. In any market, if MS are having to give software away or sell it dirt cheap (like XP on netbooks), then they are looking at decreasing profit.</p>
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		<title>By: Franki</title>
		<link>http://www.thevarguy.com/2010/07/14/microsoft-coo-paints-google-as-evil-empire/comment-page-1/#comment-111917</link>
		<dc:creator>Franki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jul 2010 03:33:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is interesting, by painting Google as the big evil, Microsoft are indicating that they now consider that google may soon steal big chunks of their market and are thereby telling people that Google now has valid alternatives to Ms products.

As for Linux not taking the market by storm, I&#039;d point out Android, WebOS, Meago, Tomtom, Tivo, ChromeOS and an awful lot of routers all use Linux components, and most people don&#039;t even know.. and the top 500 supercomputers list contains a pretty awful condemnation for Windows at the top end but speaks pretty highly for Linux.

This speech seems to be more how Microsoft would like the future to turn out rather than the current state of affairs.

I don&#039;t like Steve Job&#039;s walled garden, but nobody can deny they are selling devices in numbers Microsoft can only dream of right now.  

Windows 7 phone from what I have seen has a clunky interface that takes too long to do things,  and has limitations that match those of the first iphones which everyone else has moved past (multitasking anyone?)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is interesting, by painting Google as the big evil, Microsoft are indicating that they now consider that google may soon steal big chunks of their market and are thereby telling people that Google now has valid alternatives to Ms products.</p>
<p>As for Linux not taking the market by storm, I&#8217;d point out Android, WebOS, Meago, Tomtom, Tivo, ChromeOS and an awful lot of routers all use Linux components, and most people don&#8217;t even know.. and the top 500 supercomputers list contains a pretty awful condemnation for Windows at the top end but speaks pretty highly for Linux.</p>
<p>This speech seems to be more how Microsoft would like the future to turn out rather than the current state of affairs.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t like Steve Job&#8217;s walled garden, but nobody can deny they are selling devices in numbers Microsoft can only dream of right now.  </p>
<p>Windows 7 phone from what I have seen has a clunky interface that takes too long to do things,  and has limitations that match those of the first iphones which everyone else has moved past (multitasking anyone?)</p>
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		<title>By: FrankM</title>
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		<dc:creator>FrankM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jul 2010 13:12:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a Postini partner of 8+ years and also a Google Apps reseller, this is all very interesting, to a point. However, I want to say thank you to MSFT, for the additional business that pops up every time MSFT blows the horn at Google.

I was planning on some vacation time this week, but business just kept coming in. We are usually low key from mid-June through the end of July, but that did not happen this year. 

Top &amp; bottom PL are both up double digits - YTD and up again this quarter, more than the first two quarters. We are not fighting for business or are we giving away more margins to offer free anything. 

We have spent less on advertising this year than last and our sales channel is picking up the pace very nicely. So thanks MSFT, keep on keeping Google in the news cycle.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a Postini partner of 8+ years and also a Google Apps reseller, this is all very interesting, to a point. However, I want to say thank you to MSFT, for the additional business that pops up every time MSFT blows the horn at Google.</p>
<p>I was planning on some vacation time this week, but business just kept coming in. We are usually low key from mid-June through the end of July, but that did not happen this year. </p>
<p>Top &amp; bottom PL are both up double digits &#8211; YTD and up again this quarter, more than the first two quarters. We are not fighting for business or are we giving away more margins to offer free anything. </p>
<p>We have spent less on advertising this year than last and our sales channel is picking up the pace very nicely. So thanks MSFT, keep on keeping Google in the news cycle.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel Jefferies</title>
		<link>http://www.thevarguy.com/2010/07/14/microsoft-coo-paints-google-as-evil-empire/comment-page-1/#comment-111893</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel Jefferies</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jul 2010 18:46:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Loving the discussion here and all the different viewpoints.

After listening to Kevin Turner&#039;s keynote in its entireity I was struck most by his tone.
He did not sound like a man that was proud and confident of Microsofts achievements.
He came across to me as a man that was angry and frustrated with the market and maybe the media for not giving Microsoft more love.

That is just my perception but if attitudes like that exist at the top that does not bode well for Microsofts culture or their decision making process.

The marketshare case he made with the IDC numbers is certainly interesting however the most interesting number I saw was that 85% of customers are still on XP.  If Windows 7 is so compelling then why have more customers not switched to it a full year after it&#039;s release?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Loving the discussion here and all the different viewpoints.</p>
<p>After listening to Kevin Turner&#8217;s keynote in its entireity I was struck most by his tone.<br />
He did not sound like a man that was proud and confident of Microsofts achievements.<br />
He came across to me as a man that was angry and frustrated with the market and maybe the media for not giving Microsoft more love.</p>
<p>That is just my perception but if attitudes like that exist at the top that does not bode well for Microsofts culture or their decision making process.</p>
<p>The marketshare case he made with the IDC numbers is certainly interesting however the most interesting number I saw was that 85% of customers are still on XP.  If Windows 7 is so compelling then why have more customers not switched to it a full year after it&#8217;s release?</p>
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		<title>By: Binary</title>
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		<dc:creator>Binary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jul 2010 16:43:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, Microsoft requires you to add their software to view their site.  Before you know it Adobe will require Acrobat to read their documentation and Apple will make you install iTunes to listen/buy their music (or buy an iPod, iPad or iPhone).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, Microsoft requires you to add their software to view their site.  Before you know it Adobe will require Acrobat to read their documentation and Apple will make you install iTunes to listen/buy their music (or buy an iPod, iPad or iPhone).</p>
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		<title>By: yepo</title>
		<link>http://www.thevarguy.com/2010/07/14/microsoft-coo-paints-google-as-evil-empire/comment-page-1/#comment-111889</link>
		<dc:creator>yepo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jul 2010 15:55:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The frikin&#039; http://digitalwpc.com/ ask for SilverBlight. 

Nothing is form Microsoft unencumbered, you need to have Windblows and Internet Exploder to watch their stinky video. 

And they say something to someone...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The frikin&#8217; <a href="http://digitalwpc.com/" rel="nofollow">http://digitalwpc.com/</a> ask for SilverBlight. </p>
<p>Nothing is form Microsoft unencumbered, you need to have Windblows and Internet Exploder to watch their stinky video. </p>
<p>And they say something to someone&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Binary</title>
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		<dc:creator>Binary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jul 2010 15:43:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If anyone tells me they are &quot;honest&quot;, &quot;a good person&quot; or &quot;not evil&quot;, I tend to think the opposite.  It&#039;s actions that prove those statements, I don&#039;t need you to tell me, show me (by not sniffing my wi-fi or reading my e-mail).

As a Linux and Windows admin and several Linux deployments, it&#039;s clear that Linux is not making great gains on the desktop, not sure about the server side.  The failures of Vista haven&#039;t resulted in mass Linux deployments.  As open source applications like OpenOffice and Drupal are running on XP, Win7 and Windows Server, there are less reasons to move to Linux desktops and soon servers.  MS may have taken a few hits (Vista and Kin) but won&#039;t result in their downfall.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If anyone tells me they are &#8220;honest&#8221;, &#8220;a good person&#8221; or &#8220;not evil&#8221;, I tend to think the opposite.  It&#8217;s actions that prove those statements, I don&#8217;t need you to tell me, show me (by not sniffing my wi-fi or reading my e-mail).</p>
<p>As a Linux and Windows admin and several Linux deployments, it&#8217;s clear that Linux is not making great gains on the desktop, not sure about the server side.  The failures of Vista haven&#8217;t resulted in mass Linux deployments.  As open source applications like OpenOffice and Drupal are running on XP, Win7 and Windows Server, there are less reasons to move to Linux desktops and soon servers.  MS may have taken a few hits (Vista and Kin) but won&#8217;t result in their downfall.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://www.thevarguy.com/2010/07/14/microsoft-coo-paints-google-as-evil-empire/comment-page-1/#comment-111886</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jul 2010 15:11:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pot, meet kettle.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pot, meet kettle.</p>
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		<title>By: The VAR Guy</title>
		<link>http://www.thevarguy.com/2010/07/14/microsoft-coo-paints-google-as-evil-empire/comment-page-1/#comment-111880</link>
		<dc:creator>The VAR Guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jul 2010 13:44:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>GB@10: You would have been a good contestant on CNN&#039;s old Crossfire show. The VAR Guy appreciates your point-by-point opinions. Our resident blogger thinks Microsoft made some legitimate points... their revenues and market share are growing in several sectors. But your counter-points provide some balance to the conversation, and healthy reminders that statistics can be spun in multiple ways...

Antony@12: Interesting observation, but it truly seems like Google is now Microsoft&#039;s biggest fear...

Apexwm@13: The VAR Guy isn&#039;t quite so cynical. All tech companies spin stories to their benefit. It&#039;s up to customers and the media (including anonymous bloggers) to analyze the statements and draw their own conclusions.

Thanks for all the comments. The VAR Guy values all the opinions and feedback.
-TVG</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>GB@10: You would have been a good contestant on CNN&#8217;s old Crossfire show. The VAR Guy appreciates your point-by-point opinions. Our resident blogger thinks Microsoft made some legitimate points&#8230; their revenues and market share are growing in several sectors. But your counter-points provide some balance to the conversation, and healthy reminders that statistics can be spun in multiple ways&#8230;</p>
<p>Antony@12: Interesting observation, but it truly seems like Google is now Microsoft&#8217;s biggest fear&#8230;</p>
<p>Apexwm@13: The VAR Guy isn&#8217;t quite so cynical. All tech companies spin stories to their benefit. It&#8217;s up to customers and the media (including anonymous bloggers) to analyze the statements and draw their own conclusions.</p>
<p>Thanks for all the comments. The VAR Guy values all the opinions and feedback.<br />
-TVG</p>
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		<title>By: apexwm</title>
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		<dc:creator>apexwm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jul 2010 12:47:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Any statement by a Microsoft executive should be treated as fluff and taken with a grain of salt.  They love to bend and twist statements to make themselves sound like they are on top, however look at market trends.  They are declining in many different markets, most notably on the mobile phone market.  They are slipping, and they don&#039;t know what else to do.  I urge you to do your own research, and see what real people are saying, that use software in real scenarios in the real world.  They probably have a different story than Microsoft does.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Any statement by a Microsoft executive should be treated as fluff and taken with a grain of salt.  They love to bend and twist statements to make themselves sound like they are on top, however look at market trends.  They are declining in many different markets, most notably on the mobile phone market.  They are slipping, and they don&#8217;t know what else to do.  I urge you to do your own research, and see what real people are saying, that use software in real scenarios in the real world.  They probably have a different story than Microsoft does.</p>
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		<title>By: Antony Merquis</title>
		<link>http://www.thevarguy.com/2010/07/14/microsoft-coo-paints-google-as-evil-empire/comment-page-1/#comment-111877</link>
		<dc:creator>Antony Merquis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jul 2010 12:31:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Turner mentioned Linux for 2 minutes or less&quot;

Says it all really. People never talk about there deepest fears :P</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Turner mentioned Linux for 2 minutes or less&#8221;</p>
<p>Says it all really. People never talk about there deepest fears <img src='http://c810354.r54.cf2.rackcdn.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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